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juvatwad 21st October 2008 07:28

KG 40
 
Can anyone point me in the right direction for finding accurate info on KG 40 losses in Nov 41? I have some items belonging to a pilot of that group who died in that time frame, and I'm trying to find out all I can about the event.

Ian

Chris Goss 21st October 2008 08:19

Re: KG 40
 
Ian: PM me as I have all of their losses and reasons for them

Chris Goss 21st October 2008 20:07

Re: KG 40
 
...and before you ask, the only KG 40 lost in combat in Nov 41 was FW 200 C-3, 0083, F8+ZL of 3/KG 40 (Oblt Karl Krueger & crew all killed) shot down by fighters from HMS Audacity

juvatwad 23rd October 2008 01:12

Re: KG 40
 
Chris,

I sent a PM, thanks.

Chris Goss 23rd October 2008 08:49

Re: KG 40
 
Should have checked the other Gruppen! There was another-Do 217 E-3, 0333, F8+CM of 4/KG 40 lost on an anti-shipping sortie off the East Coast. It had taken off from Soesterberg at 2048 hrs and was then shot down after it attacked the trawler Francolin 2 miles off Happisborough (Haisborough?) Lighthouse at 2247 hrs. Oblt Herwig Schmid (born Windhoek 18 Feb 17)-F, Gefr Georg Seeberger-BS, Fw Ewald Hoffmann-BF & Ofw Hinrich Wurthmann-BM all missing

Oxby R 23rd October 2008 23:33

Re: KG 40
 
22.03 hrs 01/11/41 : 7/KG40 Heinkel III [H-6] 4430 coded F8+KR en route Liverpool downed P/O Shipard/Oxby Beaufighter X7540 over Anglesey. 4 crew all KIA : Lt G. Leins; Uffz A Tepe; Uffz G Fischer; Gefr R Terstegen.

08/11/41 FW-200 3/KG40 described by Chris (above) attacking convoy OG76 location Western Approaches. Fighters were Martlets.

12/11/41 : Do-217 4/KG40 lost shipping strike east coast - also described by Chris' post above thought the dates might be useful. No further KG40 losses for Nov 41 in the UK far as I can see. Several KG40 losses December '41 though.

Oxby R 24th October 2008 00:00

Re: KG 40
 
Ian, PM in your inbox. ATB, RO.

juvatwad 24th October 2008 00:41

Re: KG 40
 
Chris,

That's the one, thanks. Did you put the loss list together through your own research?

Ian

Chris Goss 24th October 2008 08:14

Re: KG 40
 
Yes I did

Stig Jarlevik 26th October 2008 20:55

Re: KG 40
 
To R Oxby

1.11.41: Relative of yours?

Cheers
Stig

Chris Goss 26th October 2008 23:19

Re: KG 40
 
Stig: It is-see his other posts!

ronnybengt 11th December 2008 22:06

Re: KG 40
 
MR Goss..is there a chance i can have those losses/claimslistsent to me..??? i will PM u my e-mail...

thx
R

Foute Man 12th December 2008 00:56

Re: KG 40
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Oxby R (Post 75308)
22.03 hrs 01/11/41 : 7/KG40 Heinkel III [H-6] 4430 coded F8+KR en route Liverpool downed P/O Shipard/Oxby Beaufighter X7540 over Anglesey. 4 crew all KIA : Lt G. Leins; Uffz A Tepe; Uffz G Fischer; Gefr R Terstegen.

08/11/41 FW-200 3/KG40 described by Chris (above) attacking convoy OG76 location Western Approaches. Fighters were Martlets.

12/11/41 : Do-217 4/KG40 lost shipping strike east coast - also described by Chris' post above thought the dates might be useful. No further KG40 losses for Nov 41 in the UK far as I can see. Several KG40 losses December '41 though.

Was Gefreiter R Terstegen a Dutchman? His name looks more Dutch/Belgian than German. I know several Dutch pilots joined the Luftwaffe, but little is known about their fate and (small) numbers.

Laurent Rizzotti 18th November 2009 20:22

Re: KG 40
 
Resurrecting an old thread, but here are two links that should help Chris to remove the ??? on the location of the 12 November loss:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happisburgh_Lighthouse
http://maps.google.fr/maps?hl=fr&q=Happisburgh

Chris Goss 19th November 2009 08:04

Re: KG 40
 
The ? came from German records-if they had access to wikipedia......

edNorth 19th November 2009 08:53

Re: KG 40
 
Hi Chris and others;

The Condor in question was F8+EL (multiple sources have this: incl. 3. Staffeln search mission reports confirm this letter - besides individual letter Z on 3. Staffeln of this period has no other ref than the GQM lists - thus belived typo). Martlet BJ516 off HMS Audacity is claimed the victor.

cheers
ed


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