I./JG 76 losses on op. Market Garden
 

Hi all.

I am looking for any , at least summarized losses of I/JG 76 in month October, especially during op Market Garden..Did they fly against airborne units? In claim lists no activity is visible...
THANKS

Re: I./JG 76 losses on op. Market Garden
 

Hi, Peter

Have no idea what they did. Lost one aircraft on 11.10.1944, the pilot was wounded, so a NVM should exist.

Regards,
Andreas B

Re: I./JG 76 losses on op. Market Garden
 

Thanks Andreas :)

Re: I./JG 76 losses on op. Market Garden
 

Peter,

I./JG 76 lost several pilots during Market Garden as they were part of 3. JD. They also posted some claims. What are you looking for?

Thanks,

John

Re: I./JG 76 losses on op. Market Garden
 

Hi John and thanks
It is just marginal interest...I./JG 76 was ex I./ZG 76 wich is in my research scope right now...so I wanted to know how the continued, maybe how some pilots ended. If some who had success with ZG 76 died while with I. JG 76...as for example Dziarnowski...
Can you help with this? we can discuss it offboard as well...

THANKS

Re: I./JG 76 losses on op. Market Garden
 

Hi, John and Peter!

Please do not discuss off board :)

Checking with regards to dates I come up with the following 'timespan' for Market Garden, 17.9.1944 - 25.9.1944

Returning to Peters initial question I am definitely interested in obtaining information that might not have been reported. I have a LOT of losses for this unit on the days leading up to 17.9.1944, but then it fades out, and I wonder what you have found John.

I will list what I have myself:

Aircraft losses:

Goddammit -- why cant this stupid board accept html tables.... will have to rewrite tonight

Personnel losses:

Goddammit -- why cant this stupid board accept html tables.... will have to rewrite tonight

Do you have further information? Could it be that the losses for Market Garden where filed by another unit?

Regards,
Andreas B

Re: I./JG 76 losses on op. Market Garden
 

HI both:)

I made a mystake, a bit...moving Market Garden a month later:) sorry for this...
Seeing victory list, they claimed 5 P-51s on sept 11, and 7 B-17s on the next day...
then next victories on sept. 27...i believe it was related to bad weather, which also lead to not very succesfull start of Market Garden op.
BUT, some losses were recorded during those two weeks (Andreas we know the numbers right? ;) )So did they try to fly or try to fly against the Dakotas etc...or was it connected to other air operations?combats?

As I said I am interested in this I./JG 76 only due to the fact that most of the pilots were former ZG 76 pilots and want to know soem stories if there are any possible to read out of it. John thus info on Dziarnowski and Bischoff, and others would be warmly welcomed...

Re: I./JG 76 losses on op. Market Garden
 

Peter,

Ok, I will make a summary and post it here. Might take a few days as I am traveling till next Tuesday.

John

Re: I./JG 76 losses on op. Market Garden
 

Peter/Andreas,

this is what I made some time ago. Maybe not completely up to date...but probably better then what you have now;

Einsätze und Verluste der I./JG 76 während Market-Garden September 1944

19.09.1944:
KTB 3. JD: Einsatz 14.45-16.25 Uhr mit 26 Bf 109, Auftrag: Bekämpfung feindlicher Luftlandetruppen im Raum Arnheim. 5 FF vermisst gemeldet. 1 Bf 109 in Oberwiese notgelandet. Uffz. Ibold meldet Abschuss einer Mustang.

Verluste:
Bf 109, ?, ?, I./JG 76, 100%, Lt. Reich, schwer verwundet.
Bf 109, ?, ?, 2./JG 76, besch., Uffz. Walter Ibold, leicht verwundet. Bei Recklinghausen.
Bf 109, ?, ?, I./JG 76, 100%, Uffz. Schmidt, gefallen.
Bf 109, ?, ?, 4./JG 76, besch., Uffz. Treibmann, unverwundet.
Bf 109, ?, ?, 3./JG 76, Gefr. Heinz Neumann, glatt gelandet (Nachmeldung).

Erfolge:
Uffz. Ibold, 2./JG 76, P-51, Raum KP 2 Sinsen: 500-600 m. 16.00, Anerk.

20.09.1944:
KTB 3. JD: Einsatz 08.45-10.10 Uhr mit 15 Bf 109, Auftrag: Tiefangriffe auf starke Truppenmassierungen Straße Nijmegen-Grave-Veghel. Unternehmen im Raum nördlich Nijmegen wegen Schlechtwetter im Angriffsraum abgebrochen. Keine Verluste.

21.09.1944:
KTB 3. JD: Kein Einsatz.

22.09.1944:
KTB 3. JD: Kein Einsatz.

23.09.1944:
KTB 3. JD: Kein Einsatz.

24.09.1944:
KTB 3. JD: Einsatz 08.13-09.45 Uhr mit 26 Bf 109, Auftrag: Freikämpfen des Raumes Nijwegen von Feindjägern für den Gefechstverband Späthe (III./JG 11 + IV./JG 54). Keine Abschüsse. Es wurden trotz stärker Flakabwehr Tiefangriffe auf Brückenkopf Nijmegen durchgeführt. Weitere Tiefangriffe Raum O Driel und Oosterbeek.

25.09.1944:
KTB 3. JD: Einsatz 14.50-16.42 Uhr mit 27 Bf 109, Auftrag: Bekämpfung feindlicher Landetruppen und Übersetzverkehr über Rhein zwischen Driel und Heteren. Angriff nur Südufer, da Lage am Nordufer infolge eigene Gegenangriffe unklar.Keine Abschüsse. 1 Bf 109 vermisst, eine beschädigt.

Verluste:
Bf 109, ?, ?, I./JG 76, 100%, ???

26.09.1944:
KTB 3. JD: 1. Einsatz 13.07-14.53 Uhr mit 23 Bf 109, Auftrag: Jabojagd und Tiefangriffe im Raum Driel und Straßenkreuzung südl. Driel zur Unterstützung des Heeres. 2 Bf 109 vermisst, keine Abschüsse.

Verluste:
Bf 109, ?, ?, I./JG 76, 100%, ???
Bf 109, ?, ?, I./JG 76, 100%, ???

KTB 3. JD: 2. Einsatz 17.30-18.42 Uhr mit 19 Bf 109, Auftrag: Jabojagd und Tiefangriffe zur Unterstützung des Heeres. Angriffsschwerpunkt: Raum südl. Driel und neuer Landeraum Lastensegler und Fallschirmtruppen (IM3-4) Keine Verluste, keine Abschüsse.

27.09.1944:
KTB 3. JD: 1. Einsatz 12.35-14.35 Uhr mit 29 Bf 109, Auftrag: Freie Jagd im Raume Arnheim-Nijmegen. Schwerpunkt S Driel – W Elst. Fallss weder Jabo noch Jäger im Raume, dann Tiefangriffe. LK mit Spitfire. 5 FF Vermisst, 1 Verwundeter. 2 Spitfire sicher abgeschossen, 2 warscheinlich.

Verluste:
Bf 109, ?, ?, 1./JG 76, 100%, Uffz. Emil Frech, gefallen, bei Rees.
Bf 109G-14, 461997, schwarze 3, 2./JG 76, 100%, Ofw. Franz-Josef Bernauer, gefallen, bei Zeddam.
(Ysselsteyn, Grab CA-14-343)
Bf 109G-14, 461393, schwarze 14, 2./JG 76, 100%, Hptm. Heinz Dziarnowski, vermisst.
Bf 109, ?, ?, I./JG 76, 100%, ???
Bf 109, ?, ?, I./JG 76, 100%, ???

Erfolge:
Obgefr. Hagedorn, 4./JG 76, Spitfire , Raum 05 Ost S/IN: 500-800 m. [Emm.], 13.26 Uhr, Anerk.
Ltn. Böer, 3./JG 76, Spitfire, Raum 05 Ost S/HM 3: 1.300 m. [Apeldoorn], 13.47 Uhr, Anerk.
Gefr. Sachse, 4./JG 76, Spitfire, Raum 05 Ost S/IN 2 at 600 m. [Emmerich], 13.50 Uhr, Anerk.
Fw. Porschatis, 2./JG 76, Spitfire, Raum östw. Emmerich at 1.000 m, 13.55 Uhr, VNE/ASM.
Obgefr. Maier, 2./JG 76, Spitfire, Raum 05 Ost S/IN 5-6 at 800 m. [Emm.], 13.55 Uhr,VNE/ ASM

KTB 3. JD: 2. Einsatz 17.20-18.45 Uhr mit 16 Bf 109, Auftrag: Tiefangriffe und Jabojagd im Raume Arnheim und Nijmegen. Schwerpunkt Driel und Elst. Keine Verluste, keine Abschüsse.

28.09.1944:
KTB 3. JD: Kein Einsatz.

29.09.1944:
KTB 3. JD: Einsatz 10.34-12.10 Uhr mit 19 Bf 109, Auftrag: Einsatz in Zusammenarbeit mit Verbänden II. Jagdkorps zum Schutz Bereitstellungen des Heeres gegen feindliche Kampfflugzeuge und Jabos. Raum Arnheim – Nijmegen – Pannerden – Niederrhein. 8 FF vermisst, 3 Spitfire sicher, 1 Thunderbolt sicher und 2 Spitfire warscheinlich.

Verluste:
Bf 109G-14/U4, 510917, weisse 7, 1./JG 76, 100%, Uffz. Adam Bauer, gefallen, bei Kleve.
(Donsbrügger Heide, Grab 254)
Bf 109G-14, 784008, schwarze 12, 2./JG 76, 100%, Gefr. Hans Bürger, vermisst, Raum Arnheim.
Bf 109G-14, 460408, gelbe 4, 3./JG 76, 100%, Gefr. Georg Kuhr, Gefangenschaft, Raum Arnheim.
Bf 109G-14, 462495, gelbe 5, 3./JG 76, 100%, Ogfr. Heinz Neumann, gefallen,
(Donsbrügger Heide, Grab 2213)
Bf 109G-14, 462706, gelbe 12, 3./JG 76, 100%, Ofhr. Wilhelm Pütthoff, gefallen, bei Kleve.
(Donsbrügger Heide, Grab 586)
Bf 109G-14, 510976, blaue 8, 4./JG 76, 100%, Uffz. Paul Schmitt, vermisst, Raum Arnheim.
Bf 109G-14, 166019, schwarze 11, 2./JG 76, 100%, Flg. Günther Voß, vermisst, Raum Arnheim.
(Grab Donsbrügger Heide u.d.U.?)
Bf 109, ?, ?, I./JG 76, 100%, ???

Erfolge:
Ltn. Böer, 4./JG 76, P-47, Raum JN-1/JN-2: 800 m. [Nijmegen], 11.19 Uhr, Anerk.
Ltn. Böer, 4./JG 76, Spitfire, Raum JN-1/JN-2: 800 m. [Nijmegen], 11.22-25 Uhr, VNE/ASM.
Ofhr. Michel, 1./JG 76, Spitfire, Raum IN-7 at 700 m. [Reichsw.-Kleve], 11.23 Uhr. Anerk: ASM
Ltn. Passow, 1./JG 76, Spitfire, Raum IM-6/IN-4: 7-800 m. [Nijmegen-Kleve], 11.24 Uhr, Anerk.
Uffz. Dangl, 1./JG 76, Spitfire, Raum IN-45 at 300 m. [Reichsw b. Goch], 11.24 Uhr,Anerk: ASM
Obgefr. Maier, 2./JG 76, Spitfire, Raum IN-4 at 600 m. [Reichsw b. Goch],11.27 Uhr,Anerk:ASM
Uffz. Treibmann, 4./JG 76, Spitfire, Raum IN 4 at 800 m. [Reischsw. b. Goch], 11.20 Uhr, Anerk.

30.09.1944:
KTB 3. JD: Kein Einsatz.

02.10.1944:

Verluste:
Bf 109G-14, 460556, blaue 10, 4./JG 76, 100%, Lt. Böer, vermisst, Raum Arnheim-Nijmegen.

Erfolge:
Ltn. Fick, 2./JG 76, Spitfire, Raum HM-9 od. HN-7: 4.500 m. [Ede], 11.12 Uhr, Anerk: ASM

Re: I./JG 76 losses on op. Market Garden
 

Hi, guys

Very interesting overview John. Now we only have to link these to the correct reports... which might be a quite interesting job!

Looking through my data, we have to establish at least two things:

1. What unit designation did the aircraft flown by the pilots registered as being part of I./JG 76 get reported by?

2. What unit designation did the pilots get reported as belongong to.

It is of interest to note that at least a few of these losses where reported by IV./JG 300. For some reason, this designation was used for some aircraft on for example 12.9., 13.9., 18.9 and 19.9 - but then there is a 'hole' until the unit designation IV./JG 300 is used again from 5.11. So what is going on? What unit were the so called 'Halter' of the aircraft operated? Other references I have state that the IV./JG 300 were not formed until end of September... and yet there must have been some confusion with regards to the use of the new designation.

I am not an expert on the units in this area, you got an idea John?

Regards,
Andreas B

Re: I./JG 76 losses on op. Market Garden
 

John many THANKS! excellent info...:) I can make out nice summary out of it:) just to close the Chapter of I./ZG 76 beying JG 76....
regards

Re: I./JG 76 losses on op. Market Garden
 

Andreas,

As written by Lorant and also I agree :) IV./JG 300 was formed from I./JG 76 beginning October 1944. Planes were flown to IV./JG 300 between 4-10 october...so from 4th I think it may be reported as IV./JG 300 loss and also mismatched to JG 76.
However if there is loss report to IV./JG 300 before this date, I believe that order to rename the unit came earlier and someone already applied it before it was valid?
My opinion :)
regards

Re: I./JG 76 losses on op. Market Garden
 

Hi

Have checked, and the renaming is mentioned in the intro to the strength returns of October 10th 1944.

I think we should check the records I have agains Johns and see what we come up with however.

One questioon to John - what units were subordinated to 3. JD at the time?

Regards,
Andreas B

Re: I./JG 76 losses on op. Market Garden
 

In this case Ultra is no help there is just a "Bestand" of the 10.sept. amazingly the ST.JG76 report Fw190A...

Remi

Re: I./JG 76 losses on op. Market Garden
 

It's an little mistake in reports because these W.Nr. didn't exist.

Best wishes
Rasmussen

Re: I./JG 76 losses on op. Market Garden
 

The documents I have all list I./JG 76. I don't have NVM of these losses so I don't know what they say (if they exist). The werknummer 462495 was reported like I wrote.....

John

Re: I./JG 76 losses on op. Market Garden
 

Of course, isn't your mistake but Erla didn't delivere an G-14 with such an W.Nr. ... so we have to take this number with an "?".

Best wishes
Rasmussen

Re: I./JG 76 losses on op. Market Garden
 

I know Rasmussen, but I did another check of the original source and what I tried to say there was no typo on my side. I understand this WNr. does not fit in the known ranges.

John

Re: I./JG 76 losses on op. Market Garden
 

162495 seems to be a good guess, 1 is very close to 4 printed, althought an old plane for that date

rémi

Re: I./JG 76 losses on op. Market Garden
 

John,

Do you happen to have photo of Dziarnowsky??
Thanks

Re: I./JG 76 losses on op. Market Garden
 

Nope.

John

Re: I./JG 76 losses on op. Market Garden
 

it was worth shot;) thanks anyway for the previous info and summary.It was little but significant boost for my research.

Re: I./JG 76 losses on op. Market Garden
 

Hi, guys

Weekend filled with non-Luftwaffe related activities. Will type up my summary tonight... Sorry!

Regards,
Andreas B

Re: I./JG 76 losses on op. Market Garden
 

Andreas,

Units of 3. JD from 19.9.1944 onwards;

Gefechtsverband Michalski:
Stab JG 4, I./JG 3, III./JG 300, III./JG 53, II./JG 77

Gefechstverband Specht:
Stab JG 11, II./JG 27, III./JG 4, I./JG 76

Gefechtsverband Späthe:
IV./JG 54, III./JG 11

cheers,

John

Re: I./JG 76 losses on op. Market Garden
 

Did anybody revealed the WNr of the 3 Bf 109s that were lost on 27 September 1944? The unit lost 5 a/c that day and 2 were already known as Erla built G-14s. One of the unknown 3 was a U4 and I am after its WNr.

Thanks,

batur