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edwest 1st December 2008 06:59

Photos 11-30
 
Me 109
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Usual disclaimer,
Ed

Andreas Brekken 1st December 2008 09:29

Re: Photos 11-30
 
Hi

Me 110 WNr 2381 was obviously salvaged. Destroyed in bomb attack on Fl.Pl.Laupheim July 24th 1944.

At the time with ZG 101

Regards,
Andreas B

Andreas Brekken 1st December 2008 09:40

Re: Photos 11-30
 
Hi, guys

Regarding the photo album from the Beobachter flying a He 111... some of them are incredible, and if they are really made in a combat situation, I am amazed of the quality...

Especially the photos of the polish and french fighters are incredible, and for some reason I get a feeling that these photographs are made AFTER the battle, and might be part of a movie or something?

Problem is that other photographs feels as 'the real thing'...

Comments?

Regards,
Andreas B

robert 1st December 2008 10:13

Re: Photos 11-30
 
Hi,

they are not real Polish fighters but Avia`s used for German propaganda movie.

Regards

Robert

Andreas Brekken 1st December 2008 10:38

Re: Photos 11-30
 
Hi, Robert

I saw that they were Avia's, but didn't know if the poles had any of these (not my main field of interest)

You can also see a camera installation on top of the engine cowling on one of the 'french' Hawks.

Anyone able to identify the Hawks with serial numbers? Did these eventually end up in III./JG 77 and Finland?

Regards,
Andreas B

markjsheppard 1st December 2008 19:27

Re: Photos 11-30
 
Hi all

Bit on the Halifax and a photo used elsewhere

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and the story

http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/s...a4054538.shtml

regards

MS

Tony Kambic 1st December 2008 19:32

Re: Photos 11-30
 
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I know the Storch was made for short fields but....

Tony Kambic 1st December 2008 19:45

Re: Photos 11-30
 
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What is the device on the cowling in front of the cockpit in the Curtiss P-36 Hawk photographs?

Dénes Bernád 1st December 2008 21:18

Re: Photos 11-30
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony Kambic (Post 77649)
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=250334215692

I know the Storch was made for short fields but....

This particular "original" photo has been sold at least twice on eBay.

Kjetil Aakra 1st December 2008 23:50

Re: Photos 11-30
 
That album (with He 111s, Avias and P-36s) was very interesting, indeed.

I am quite sure the P-36 with the bogus RAF-markings (they are not French ones, vene if they are inacurate) were used in a propaganda movie and that the equipment is an externally mounted camera.

Didn't know they used the Avia as stand-ins for Polish fighters for the same puurpose, though.

This photo: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=150313294585

does not show a Halifax in my view, but a Whitley. Or am I completely wrong???

Regards,

Kjetil

edNorth 2nd December 2008 00:22

Re: Photos 11-30
 
Its a Whitley - Mk.V N1408 MH-K of 51 Sq missing (Hannover) 18.05.40 - according to James J. Halley, Air-Britain Publications.

obdl3945 2nd December 2008 02:47

Re: Photos 11-30
 
Hi...

Definitely a Whitley. The tailplane arrangement gives it away.

Loved the photo album showing the Do17s from KG77, especially the mix of Do17Z and the earlier Do17Es, with the small external bomb load in evidence. Thanks for a great selection once again, Ed.

Regards...

Franek Grabowski 2nd December 2008 03:20

Re: Photos 11-30
 
Avias and Hawks were flown for Kampfgeschwader Luetzow movie, they have also burned some actual Polish planes for it. I cannot exclude that the footage was used in other films as well.

edwest 2nd December 2008 03:26

Re: Photos 11-30
 
You're welcome obdl3945.




Ed

markjsheppard 2nd December 2008 15:26

Re: Photos 11-30
 
Kjetil

I also thought it was a Whitley. Did a Google on the serial and there was a reference to Halifax - or it might have been Hanover. Saw the H and assumed Halifax. OF course too early for a Halifax.

Thought it showed a body covered in a sheet but not clear of casualties.

The story seems to indicate they all bailed out but it looks more like a force landing.

How are the profiles going? Keeping you busy?

regards

Mark

Stig Jarlevik 2nd December 2008 22:59

Re: Photos 11-30
 
Guys

Can't remember that I have seen all that many upper parts of Luftwaffe wings. Was it common or not to put the STMKZ on the upper surface?
Check this crashed Ju 52
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Cheers
Stig

jvmasset 2nd December 2008 23:18

Re: Photos 11-30
 
I believe it to be a Junkers F-13...It is far too small for Ju 52 (look at the people sizes)...and I see only one wrecked engine...but I can be mistaken!

JV

Eric GUILLAUME 2nd December 2008 23:31

Re: Photos 11-30
 
It's a Ju W 34 hau from Schule/FAR 24 / FFS (A/B) 24.

Eric

Peter D Evans 2nd December 2008 23:34

Re: Photos 11-30
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jvmasset (Post 77737)
I believe it to be a Junkers F-13...It is far too small for Ju 52 (look at the people sizes)...and I see only one wrecked engine...but I can be mistaken!JV

On the open source LEMB Sktz Database Project, we have this listed as:

PV+NW - Junkers W34hau of Schule/FAR.24

[source: "Die Flugzeugfuhrer-Ausbildung der Deutschen Luftwaffe 1935-45 Band 1" Sven Carlsen & Michael Meyer]

cheers
Peter D Evans
LEMB Administrator

Stig Jarlevik 2nd December 2008 23:40

Re: Photos 11-30
 
OK Guys

Let's go for a Ju W.34, but you are missing the point. I wasn't looking at the aircraft I was looking at the markings ON TOP of the wings!!

Any takers?

Cheers
Stig

Peter D Evans 3rd December 2008 00:11

Re: Photos 11-30
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stig Jarlevik (Post 77734)
Can't remember that I have seen all that many upper parts of Luftwaffe wings. Was it common or not to put the STMKZ on the upper surface?

I would say that codes on the upper wing like this were an exception rather than the rule... but I have most certainly seen other types with codes like this before...

cheers

Peter D Evans
LEMB Administrator

Stig Jarlevik 3rd December 2008 19:36

Re: Photos 11-30
 
Cheers Peter :)

Thanks
Stig

Eric GUILLAUME 3rd December 2008 20:56

Re: Photos 11-30
 
Hello,

After a look at my photos, I can say many planes from this unit and in this perioid, 1940-41, like Ar 68, Fw 44, He 45 Etc... had their Stkz on the top of the wing too...

Eric

Dénes Bernád 3rd December 2008 21:26

Re: Photos 11-30
 
Yes, it's a Ju W 34.
Another airplane of the same unit, with very close Stkz. was sold on eBay:
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/4...nemblemwe2.jpg


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