2/123 Losses
 

In a rush (as always) so I couldn't find it on fiche first time round, does anyone have a record of the loss of a Lt Zenke (or similar) with 2/123 on or about 21 Dec 41. Also does anyone have the reasons for the loss of the Birkenmaier crew on 21 Jul 42?

Re: 2/123 Losses
 

Chris,

Report dated 7-1-42 has Ff Ltn Renner +, B Fw Petthast +, Bf Uffz Karl Bernhard Maltke w. Aircraft Ju88 4U+HK 1529 to Jagerbeschuss on 30-12-41, could not see anything else in the period,

Regards

Brian Bines

Re: 2/123 Losses
 

If Ltn Renner is similar enought to Zenke, looks like the only one in december to fit
Wn seems to be 1529, Potthast nd Moltke, corrected to uffz v. Moltke sound more german, where hv you found Brian the first name of Moltke ,,??

Remi

Re: 2/123 Losses
 

Remi,

On my copy it has been hand written next to his surname, it is very faint, I have checked and the wn is 1529 as you say,

Regards

Brian Bines

Re: 2/123 Losses
 

I have an aircraft missed at 29.04.42 with the same code,

FF. Fw. Kurt Zahn (4U+HK) mit BO. Ofw. Kurt Rohrbach , BF. Uffz. Springer, BS. Ogfr. Peter Wohlrad (K.G), 29.04.42 alle vermisst in Alexandrien


did the Germans give the same code after loosing a plane to another one?
I found similar examples in other cases as well

Re: 2/123 Losses
 

Thanks Gentlemen but no answers here. I am going from the logbook of Oblt Franz Hesslinger whose Beobachter was Lt Zenke and alongside the 21 Dec 41 entry states that Zenke failed to return from a mission with another crew (Alexandria). Could it have been earlier in Dec 1941?

Byron: the only thing that would not change is the Werk Nummer; the Kennzeichen (4U+HK in this case) could be assigned to another aircraft following a loss

Re: 2/123 Losses
 

On my copy it has been hand written next to his surname, you are lucky to hv such a copy..

2 planes are reported missing on 9.dec. + two on the 1.st,seems losses goes per 2 nd the crew per 3, I let you hv the names..

1.dec.
Schulze hans fw b
Huster herbert ofw bf
Rammig hans oblt f
Letz gerhard fw b
Flemming felix uffz bf
Gablenz v franz-heinrich ltn f


9.dec.
Gleefisch uffz b
Schimm uffz bf
Schultz ltn f
Blutau fw b
Sperrer uffz bf
Bailer ltn f

Re: 2/123 Losses
 

thank you very much Chris

Re: 2/123 Losses
 

Zenke is given missing on 15.febr.42, with still this Damned 4U+HK...

2 F123 F /Alexandrien/ X JU88D-1 1223 4U+HK

Ege karl uffz bf
Hasenkamp heinz uffz bs
Mühlhaupt albert uffz f
Zenke hans ltn b

I didn't note any correction for the date..

Remi

Re: 2/123 Losses
 

That is him but it puzzles me why Hesslinger wrote of his loss 2 months before. Thanks one & all

Re: 2/123 Losses
 

May be the last time he flew with Hasslinger..

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Ltn. Franz Hesslinger was injured 22.03.42 in Tatoi, any Info about this incident? Who else was with him there?

Re: 2/123 Losses
 

Remi: Good thought and according to the logbook, yes.
Byron: There is no mention in his logbook of him flying 22 Mar 42 or any accident-he flew to Tatoi from Iraklion 20 Mar 42 and then did not fly again until 8 May 42. However, there was an incident in 4U+EK 22 Mar 43. I cannot read who was with him and it could not have been serious as he was flying again 5 days later

Re: 2/123 Losses
 

Thanks Chris, obviously my info about the year 1942 wasn`t correct.

Re: 2/123 Losses
 

Ok. Using Remi's theory of the last time he flew with them was when he wrote their fate, on 21 Jul 42 he wrote that his Funker, Fw (and it looks like Dobolz or Gobolz?) went missing with another crew on his 99th Feindflug. On this date, 2/123 did lose a crew but the BF was Ofw Gerhard Seidel. Hessinger's 99th was 18 Jul 42 so it would be sometime around Jul/Aug 42. Any suggestions?
As to his regular crew, I can only say that on 23 Sep 43, he flew 2/123's 4000th mission and I have photos of his crew on that day-Ofw Helmut Dorries, Ofw Herbert Huster & Fw August Fastenrodt (of interest the latter flying with Ofw Alfred Nitsch on 23 Aug 42 on the Staffel's 2000th mission)

Re: 2/123 Losses
 

Qm's returns of 27-7-42 has Ju88 4U+BK wn 863 missing on 22-7-42 with Bf Fw Paul Bobelzenn and crew missing could he be your man ?

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I think, this was the crew

FF. Uffz. Alexander Wurth (4U+BK), BO. Uffz. Otto König, BF. Fw. Paul Bobelzenn,

BS. Fw. Herbert Jellinek, alle (vw.) 22.07.42 Kreta-Haifa-Alexandrien-Marsa Matruch,