Bv222 C-010
 

Could anyone supply crew and loss details of this aircraft please. All I have is lost to RAF nightfighters early in 1944 near Biscarosse,

Thanks

Brian Bines

Re: Bv222 C-010
 

BV 222C-10 W.Nr. 0310010 X4+AH of 1.(F)/129 at Biscarosse 95% on 08.02.44 when shot down by enemy aircraft during a test flight at night in pos. 44 degrees 17 mins. North, and 01 degrees 15 mins. West.
The entire crew were killed:
Hptm. Karl Schmutzler (F), Oblt. Erich Todt (F), Ofw. Heinz Josko (F),
Lt. (M) Karl-Heinz Strahlke (B), Stabsfw. Hans Erbarth (Bm),
Ofw. Johann Waskowiak (Bm), Fw. Walter Möckel (Bf), Uffz. Rudolf Hagenguth (Bf), Uffz. Ernst Zöllner (Bs), Obgefr. Robert Kremser (Bs),
Obgefr. Hans Blinken (Bs), Obgefr. Helmuth Ritter (Bs) and Uffz. Gerhard Schult (Bs)

Re: Bv222 C-010
 

Thanks very much for the great info. and speedy reply,

Regards

Brian Bines

Re: Bv222 C-010
 

Victim of Sqn Ldr Taps Tappin/Fg Off I H Thomas of 157 Sqn 2120 hrs-I have the combat report but unfortunately no camera gun shots! It crashed off the SW point of Biscarosse Lake

Re: Bv222 C-010
 

Chris, thanks for additional info.

Re: Bv222 C-010
 

Wasn't X4+AH the first prototype?
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Waffen/Bv222.htm gives TB+QN, which seems more in line with Bv 222 V7 (TB+QL) on which it was patterned.

Re: Bv222 C-010
 

While we're on the subject of seaplane losses, can anyone supply any other details to these losses?

?????, , Bescherner, Ltn. Reinhard (B)/n.n. (F), , , , KüFlGr. 406, , , , , 28-Dec-41, WIA due to machine gun fire., , Lfl.3/Atlantik, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #4)-Vol.7, , PlQu. 63 73, b, F, , ,
?????, , n.n., , , 6., Seenotstaffel, , , , , 05-Mar-42, Bs KIA during combat sortie, cause unknown., , Ob.Bhf.Süd/Mittelmeer, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #5)-Vol.8, , bei La Valetta, b, F, Bs Fw. Erich Liebick, ,
?????, , n.n., , , 8., Seenotstaffel, , , , , 24-Sep-42, Bombenwurf. Bm KIA., With aircraft?, Lfl.4/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #7)-Vol.11, , Ortasli-See, b, F, Bm Uffz. Wilhelm Bauer, ,
?????, , Schulz, Fw. Karl-Heinz, , , 8., Seenotstaffel, , , , , 16-Sep-43, KIA due to enemy fire., , Lfl.4/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #11)-Vol.21, , Noworossijsk, b, F, , ,

Re: Bv222 C-010
 

1941-12-28, 1./Kü.Fl.Gr. 906, He 115C, 3843, Pl.Qu. 15 West 6373, M.G.-Beschuß. Bruch ? %.
Beobachter Lt Beschorner, Reinhard, verletzt
1942-03-05, 6. Seenotstaffel, Do 24, Bei La Valetta, Propellerschlag nach Landung. Bruch ? %.
Bordschütze Fw Liebick, Erich, +
1942-09-24, 8. Seenotstaffel, Boden, Ortasli-See, Bombenwurf.
Bordmechaniker Uffz Bauer, Wilhelm, +
1943-09-16, 8. Seenotstaffel, Do 24, Noworossijsk, Bordwaffenbeschuß. Von Beobachter und Bordmechaniker zurück geflogen. Bruch ? %.
Flugzeugführer Fw Schulze, Heinrich, +
Beobachter Olt Glinkemann, Hans
Bordmechaniker Ofw Baumann, Heinz

Matti

Re: Bv222 C-010
 

Matti,

Wonderful! Many thanks, as always.

Jim Perry

Re: Bv222 C-010
 

Matti

I notice that WNr 3843 is far away from other known He 115C.
Does anyone have other WNr in that range?
I also notice that WNr 3243 belonged to 1./906.

Cheers
Stig

Re: Bv222 C-010
 

Stig, you are of course right with the WNr. However, according to my notes it was taken from NVM and I have no other source. It could be 3243, but I cannot prove it. Maybe someone has better information.
In GQM loss report information on the aircaft is unfortunately missing.

Matti

Re: Bv222 C-010
 

I have no He 115 accident for 28.12.1941. Also the W.Nr. 3843 is non valid for He 115. On 28.12.41 Staffel 1./906 was stationed in Hourtin France. What happened was probably that one crewmember was injured by enemy fire but the damage to the aircraft was less than 10% and consequently not reported in the Gen. Qu. loss/damage list. Nor has it been reported in the KTB of Gen.d.Lw.B.Ob.d.M./O.Qu.

Re: Bv222 C-010
 

Thanks Matti

No worries, you are doing "your job" :), quoting from official sources, sharing an amazing amount of interesting details!! I have no such access myself and what I am trying to do is to try and make sense of what I have myself from other secondary sources, even if that sometimes comes out a bit silly...

Seaplanes
In this case I believe the physical damage to the actual incident was so minor that the airplane itself perhaps was not more damaged than a single bullet hole that wounded "Jim's Beobachter", not even warranting a damage report.

Cheers
Stig

Re: Bv222 C-010
 

This was a loss where only the wounded B, Ltn. Reinhard Bescherner (MG-bescuss), was reported. There was no aircraft listed with the loss, certainly for the reasons stated by Seaplanes.

During my last pass through the Gen.Qu. reports I recorded all such reported losses. There were quite a few of them. In going through the recent 2-volume set on the Kampfgeschwarder RK-Träger I was able to match up quite a number of these types of losses with incidents mentioned in the text since the author was so kind, not to mention complete, to include other wounded/injured aircrew in these instances.

Re: Bv222 C-010
 

Have last week checked this again with WASt. The NVM Nr. 58 from 406 contains the details I gave. In column "Staffel usw." is mentioned the unit 1./906 and therefore I put it under that unit.
I have no reason to doubt this case and the only problem left is the correct WNr.

Matti