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Traku1 16th February 2009 20:36

NAS PAX Arado Ar 234 information.
 
I'm trying to find out whatever happened to the pair of Arado 234's at NAS PAX. In 1976 I looked at them and took several photos, (the ones everyone here always refers to at my flickr page). My photos will be appearing in a couple magazines in the next few months and I've been unable to find out about there fate. Around 1998 I was in the area by boat and they where nowhere to be seen. Any comments would be greatly http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/pictur...2&pictureid=54appreciated.http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/pictur...819743&thumb=1

Peter D Evans 16th February 2009 22:15

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Two Ar234's at Patuxent River in 1976? Can you provide a link to the images please Traku1?

Cheers
Peter D Evans
LEMB Administrator

Peter D Evans 16th February 2009 22:37

Re: NAS PAX Arado Ar 234 information.
 
Perhaps you meant 1946? Two Ar234B's were indeed transferred there, these being:
  • USN BuAer.121445 - Ar234B - WNr.unknown - Nickname "Jane I" and previously "Watson Whizzers No.202". Stricken on 31st December 1946 and eventually scrapped at Patuxent River
  • USN BuAer.121446 - Ar234B - WNr.unknown - Nicknamed "Snafu I" and previously "Watson Whizzers No.303". Stricken on 31st December 1946 and eventually scrapped at Patuxent River
A shameless plug to a couple of forums dedicated to captured Luftwaffe types in the US can be found over on the LEMB via the links below:

USA Numbers/Watsons Whizzers/Other US designations
FE/T2 - Foreign Evaluation Numbers

cheers
Peter D Evans
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Harold Lake 16th February 2009 23:46

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While I can't say for certain what ultimately happened to one of the Pax River Arados, I can with some certainity, relate the unlikely fate of one of the Arado's nose sections;a fate I'm sure the German designers never foresaw in their wildest dreams.

In the early 60s, an aquaintance related his excitement at removing the complete nose from one of the Navy's scrapped Arados and, after transporting it back to his upstate NY home, it was "installed" in his bathroom. There you could sit, attending to your business, while imagining you were on a special bombing mission! It seems when the home was later sold, the new owners were so impressed with the home's special bathroom fixture, they decided to kept the Arado in place.

Sorry, but I never found out if what happened next...

Traku1 17th February 2009 00:00

Re: NAS PAX Arado Ar 234 information.
 
I've uploaded some of my photos to an album at this web-site. More can be seen at www.flickr.com/keleivis I'm not sure of the page number. Sometime in the next few months my photos are slated to come out in the magazines Flight International Magazine and Aeroplane Monthly.

Peter D Evans 17th February 2009 00:28

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Sorry for doubting you, they are absolutely amazing images Traku1! Lets hope that the magazine coverage throws some light on their ultimate fate - unless the owner of the nose Harold makes mention of has acquired them! The new owner of the house wouldn't be Paul Allen :) ?

cheers
Peter D Evans
LEMB Administrator

Traku1 17th February 2009 01:53

Re: NAS PAX Arado Ar 234 information.
 
The thought of the Arado nose having been detached would make sense, it's seriuosly missing when I look at the photos. I just hope it's still intact somewhere with it's owners unaware of it's significance and not having discarded it. I was 18 years old when I visited the Arado's, and as I remember, was rather disheartened when I first saw there condition. I just wish I had taken a lot more pictures. Fortunately I still have my origonal negatives which I scanned last year and cleaned up with Photoshop. I hope to establish some contact with someone at NAS PAX again so I could revisit the site. It's only a couple hours drive from home.

Sergio Luis dos Santos 17th February 2009 03:06

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The photos from your father´s album are interesting too.

Traku1 17th February 2009 03:10

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Thanks, I'm still working on that.

Chris

Traku1 22nd July 2013 04:39

Re: NAS PAX Arado Ar 234 information.
 
July 16, 2013. Revisited the site.

Richard T. Eger 22nd July 2013 16:05

Re: NAS PAX Arado Ar 234 information.
 
Dear Traku1,

Your photos are terrific! Are you a professional photographer?

Regards,
Richard

Nordpol54 22nd July 2013 17:09

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@ Traku1 and Richard,

i concur. all in all a real impressive artwork for my eyes - by the way...

Cheers
Norbert


P.S.: just a marginal notice especially for Richard - how ya doin' laddie? we know each other since years. unfortunately by changing my e-mail provider i've lost contact to stormbirds and the whole crew...

Traku1 22nd July 2013 19:28

Re: NAS PAX Arado Ar 234 information.
 
Actually, what had happened to the shoreline where the Arados had been visible is that it had been reworked. The remains of the Bell XFL-1 Airabonita where nowhere to be seen.
As for where the Arados had been the entire shoreline had been buried over with tons of concrete rubble. Some bits and pieces of metal where visible in places. It was impossible to determine if the Arado airframes had ever been removed, or flattened into the landscape and reburied under a mountain of rubble.

Traku1 25th October 2013 00:16

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Issue #5 of The Aviation Historian (www.theaviationhistorian.www) is now out and features a six page article about the Pax River Arados co-written by myself and a renowned aviation author in the UK. As far as I know the publication isn’t available here in the US and can only be mail ordered. In summary, the article covers how the Arados came to be at Pax River and there subsequent disposal. It’s noted that at the time of their disposal there was little interest among the aviation community on retrieving the aircraft based on their neglected condition. Included are photos I had taken in 1976 and a couple photos of one of the Arados when it was still on the tarmac and of the Bell XFL-1 in flight. Another theme of the story comments on the lengths to which contemporary institutions will go to in remote parts of the world to retrieve mere parts of wrecks in any condition. While at the same time there could be forgotten remains in our “backyards”. The story goes on to speculate about the likelihood of a qualified entity with the right resources to mount some sort of recovery of what remains of the Arados. A questionable endeavor based on the volume of landfill dumped at the site. After revisiting the site in July 2013 there are indeed pieces of aircraft mixed in among the concrete rubble. But what lies deeper down is impossible to guess.

edwest 25th October 2013 00:54

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This link works for me.


http://theaviationhistorian.com/



Ed


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