Bf 109 G lost early 1944
 

Hello,

I got some photos of belly landed Bf 109 G-6/R6 (with large tail/old canopy) from a privat source. One photo will published on my website later with the agreement of the owner.

The known facts are:
- Pilot was a Fw. Müller
- Unit was 7./JG 54
- Location was Suhlendorf, Landkreis Uelzen
- Marking was "white 3"

Anyone know the first name of the pilot?
Is the WNr. known?

On the 08. April 1944 was a big bomber raid over the town and there was a fight with german fighters. It can be also the loss date. Can anyone confirm this?

Thanks!

David/Falcon

Re: Bf 109 G lost early 1944
 

Quite strange, I hv on 8.april a Fw Müller siegfried We10, bellylanded..., but Unit was 1.Sturmst. location Salzwedel FP plane a Fw190A-7...

Remi

Re: Bf 109 G lost early 1944
 

Hi Remi,

I think we can ignore this Fw 190 loss.
Possible that it was an other "Müller". But the name is here in germany very fluently. I must remove the "fact" of the name "Müller" to this Bf 109 G-6, because it comes from an old eyewitness, and this dont must be sure.
It there an other loss from this unit with an other pilot?

Falcon

Re: Bf 109 G lost early 1944
 

Hi,
Bob Wartburg´s JG 54 site lists following loss for that day and unit:


Uffz. Ritter Kurt, 7./JG54 , Luftkampf, KIA., Bf 109 G-5, WNr.15574, white 9, 100%, Dedelsdorf/Uelzen

Hope this is of some help

Jan

Re: Bf 109 G lost early 1944
 

W.Nr. 15 574 was an G-6 and not an G-5.

Best wishes
Rasmussen

Re: Bf 109 G lost early 1944
 

In fact the Müller+ the We10 hv enought to trouble, the known losses for the III.JG54 for that day are just those with casualties

7 JG54 Dedelsdorf LFK BF109G-6 15574 We9 100 x Ritter kurt uf 68455/369-f-240523-Ludwigshafen NVM
9 JG54 Lüneburg FP/Lüneburg raum N UB wegen Zusatztank ü,schl,/BA MSTO LFK BF109G-5 27119 Ge11 55 x-sw Kroll gerhard uf 59741/336-f- NVM
9 JG54 Stadensen 5 km sudl,/Uelsen A LFK J BF109G-6 161153 Ge9 100 x Bercza/Bercz werner fw 59745/472-Liste 161193-281019-Köln Lidentnal NVM
8 JG54 Helmstedt sud, N LFK Mtreffer n, N tiefangriff BF109G-6 161163 Sw5 100 x-sw Knodt heinz uf 59745/470-f-160422-Gotha NVM
9 JG54 Jacobidrebber/Diepholz A LFK J BF109G-6 410850 Ge4 100 x Schipper ernst uf 59741/331/295-f Liste 410250-060320-Dittlossroda Hamelburg
9 JG54 Lohne 8 km sudl, Vechta Ger, F fz b, LFK BF109G-6 411099 Ge1/11 100 x Hecker emil fw 68415/223-f-240519-Mühlhausen Mannheim NVM
8 JG54 Helmstedt LFK FSA BF109G-6 411502 Sw7+- 100 x-sw Brock Fritz/siegfried oblt 59741/36-f FSA Offz z,b,v,-050616-Perlach München NVM

Re: Bf 109 G lost early 1944
 

Hi Remi,

There are another two III./JG54 losses that day:

Bf 109G-6/U4 WNr.440151 08.04.44 8./JG54 Oblt. Herbert Lalame (†), Luftkampf - Absturz, 30km N Cloppenburg - 100% sw.2+
Bf 109G-6 WNr.412001 08.04.44 Stab III./JG54 Lt. Alfred Kromer (GrTO) (†), Luftkampf mit Jäger - Absturz, Haste/Wunstorf - 100% ws.<2+

regards,
Tomi

Re: Bf 109 G lost early 1944
 

Hello Tomi,

New losses quite welcomed, but new one for fighter units with casualties , pretty seldom, Kromer I hv him on 8. March ,,,???
Lalame we already discuss here it seems..

Remi

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Re: Bf 109 G lost early 1944
 

Thanks to all for your additional informations. I got now the information that the pilots name was written below the photos in the album, so we can be more sure that "Feldwebel Müller" is correctly.
But where is the loss?

I got the info from Anders Hjortsberg that it was a Messerschmitt build by Erla Leipzig. Camoflage and the G-5 bulge on the cowling speaks for it. This will reduce the possible factory numbers.
He painted a nice profile that you can see here:
http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=6244
Thanks to him for the nice work! :-)

Btw... I forgot. The plane made the belly landing after a fight with an enemy plane and there are some bullet holes in the cowling and the rear fuselage. Possible there exists an allied victory claim for it?

Re: Bf 109 G lost early 1944
 

Yes, I guess you are right. Both Kromer and Lalame were lost on 8. March. Wrong entries in my files :evil2:

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The list of JG 54 pilots from one pulication shows three Mullers (umlaut over u) serving with III/JG54 Ogef. Arthur Muller KIA 4-2-45, Ofw Siegfried Muller (KIA 21-2-45 with 11/54 and Fw.Wilhelm Muller ( baled out of Fw190A8 of 7/54 on 8-6-44 ). There is also a Uffz Erwin Muller wounded on 6-3-44 with 9/54.
Would this make Fw. Wilhelm Muller a possibility being in 7/54 and with the crash location being Suhlendorf/Uelzen with the other 7/54 109 that day coming down at Dedelsdorf/Uelzen.
If Fw Muller was not injured in the belly-landing he would not appear on the pilots loss list.

Brian Bines

Bf 109 G lost early 1944
 

Servus, David et al.!

Regarding the Bf 109G we. 3 + of 7./JG 54 photographed with battle damage following a belly landing, I would like to note the following.

I hold a copy of a manuscript KTB for 7./JG 54 ("Staffelchronik 7./JG 54") and have examined the entry for 8. April 1944. It is fairly detailed, about 8-10 lines long. The only loss mentioned for the day is that of Kurt Ritter, gef. near
Dedelsdorf, as noted by other readers previously. Overall, the "Chronik" is not consistent in recording losses, especially lesser and minor ones, but in this case I do get the feeling that had an airplane from the Staffel bellylanded on this day, it would have been mentioned. So perhaps we should be looking at 7./JG 54 losses for other days in February and March? Sadly, we know there were a great many in this period. Because there seemingly was only a materiel loss with the we. 3 + , however, there may well be no surviving documentation for the nice photos that David has put up on the Falcon's Hangar.

RA