Ofw. Heinrich Bartels remains
 

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I don't know much more, but if this helps, here's what I do know: The wreckage of Bartels' Bf 109G-10 was found in 1968 with Bartels's remains and intact parachute in the cockpit. Bartels' plane buried itself deeply in the ground, which is probably a major reason that the wreckage was not discovered until 23-odd years after he went down. I don't know if it's part of Bartels' official victory score, but a few sources credit Bartels with shooting down a P-47 Thunderbolt immediately before he became a victory himself.

Kenneth

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As stated, his remains were in the cockpit and confirmed by his wedding ring with his wife's name on it. The markings were not id'ed positively as only some scraps of yellow paint were present. It is assumed that it was 13+~. 13 was his favorite number and this was listed as that in the VLM record. The machine was a G-10 as built by Mtt which means it had the small wheels and wing bulges. The WNr. was 130359. He was credited with 99 Abschusse.

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John's comment about the lack of preserved markings on the wreckage of Bartels' Bf 109G-10 reminded me that his fighters also carried his wife's name (Margo) over his cockpit area under the canopy.

During a Google search for more information on Bartels, I found the following Wikipedia entry:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_Bartels

I usually don't rely on Wikipedia for historical information, but this entry is interesting as it includes a photograph purported to be of Bartels' parachute on display at the Technik Museum in Berlin. I could not find another independent source for this photograph or a similar image, but the photo looked plausible enough to be of some interest.

Kenneth

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60019/27-f sta,führ,-130718-Linz/Donau S Achmer 11h00

On the issue of april 1985 of the Jägerblatt, there is a long article on Bartels

Remi

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Remi-

Any suggestions fpr a US citizen to obtain a copy of the April 1985 Jagerblatt? Are back issues or photocopies of the articles available?

Thanks,
Kenneth

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I shall send you a copy , just ask to

cdts@cdts.fr

Remi

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According to VDK site Ofw. Heinrich Bartels is buried in Villip the location where he crashed on 23.12.44.

John

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Ofw Bartels crashed at Schloß Gudenau near Bonn mentioned in the book "To win the Winter SKY" , Page 241, by Danny S. Parker. Bartels went foul to a P-47.

Jörg Dietsche

Ofw. Heinrich Bartels remains
 

Gee whiz, folks, how quickly we forget—or is it simply that no one cares to remember? Heinz Bartels' crash site was identified and excavated in January 1968 under the research, guidance, and leadership of the late great Werner Girbig, decorated by the German government for his contributions in the recovery of missing Luftwaffe airmen. I feel that every reader of this site owes him an immeasurable debt of gratitude for his incomparable humanitarian work as well as his innovative use of documentation in accomplishing the identification of so many long-missing aircrew.

Werner Girbig was also a vivid writer, and he recounted the entire story of the discovery, identification, and recovery of Heinz Bartels in his book Vermisst (Stuttgart, Germany: Motorbuch Verlag, 1986), pp. 110-32. It is must reading for anyone interested in Bartels, aircraft recovery, and the tragic legacy of the missing from World War II.

RA

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RT, would it be possible for me to get a copy of Jagerblatt as well??

Nick

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See also:

http://109lair.hobbyvista.com/index1024.htm

Click on "articles"

Don

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Many thanks friends!

Milan

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The widow of Werner Girbig donated the parachute and some other parts to the Technik Museum in Berlin.
Rolf

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I knew Mr. Girbig. Only issue I had was that he never looked for Allied MIAs. There were a ton in the area he lived in. Back in the early 80's we talked about that a bit. I myself look for MIAs from both sides. Danny

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You posted an interesting aspect to Werner Girbig and his MIA search, and piqued my curiousity: can I ask if Mr Girbig discussed why he looked only for German MIA's when you spoke with him in the early 1980's?

Thanks,
Kenneth

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An understandable concern but he would have had his hands full surely with all the German missing? His priority was those of his native land, is that so bad

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Field grave: http://www.ebay.de/itm/Jagdflieger-L...3D352011621687

and definite resting place: http://www.ebay.de/itm/Jagdflieger-L...3D371899694021