P-40 downed Sicilian coast (?)
 

looking for some informations for a P-40 bellied in at the shore of the sicilian coast near "Agala" or "Agata" July 1943.

Just know that it was downed by german 2 cm antiaircraft guns

markings of the plane are : x6 star 6

also I´m not sure if it was at sicily.

Thanks
khorat

Re: P-40 downed Sicilian coast (?)
 

Khorat -
The 79th FG , MTO , used the X Prefix on P - 40s.
Mike

Re: P-40 downed Sicilian coast (?)
 

thanks Mike thats a point to start.

regards
Khorat

Re: P-40 downed Sicilian coast (?)
 

Khorat

Aircraft would have been from the 86FS.

Re: P-40 downed Sicilian coast (?)
 

Khorat -
Glad to help.
I looked at the MACR DataBase on www.ArmyAirForces.com
There is no MACR for 79th FG P-40 July , 43.
If Pilot Rescued - NO MACR
Mike

Re: P-40 downed Sicilian coast (?)
 

Thanks - also search for MACR in this time and can´t find one matching with this plane,
will see this week to scan the pic and show it -
ok thanks again for help

khorat

Re: P-40 downed Sicilian coast (?)
 

Just FYI: this P-40 was subject of a thread last December as well: http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=15303

A conclusion here says that P-40 was flown by Fred Borsodi and made c/l on 22.4.43.

Regards,

Leendert

Re: P-40 downed Sicilian coast (?)
 

Hi Leendert,
thanks - think its the same plane, ok don´t know this pics but the inscription on the back sayed: "our first kill, a american Mustang by 2 cm AA, Agata Juli 43"

thanks again.
khorat

Re: P-40 downed Sicilian coast (?)
 

all MACRs of July 1943

MACR, day, serial, fighter group


536 430701 41-19844 18
538 430702 42-10941 324
537 430703 42-10796 324
432 430703 42-10434 325
60 430704 41-14588 324
251 430706 42-10590 33
59 430706 42-14241 324
451 430707 42-11046 325
62 430708 42-10460 324
63 430708 41-13939 324
61 430708 41-20027 324
49 430709 41-14268 324
48 430709 41-14231 324
47 430709 41-19994 324
344 430710 42-10609 33
448 430710 41-19984 325
187 430711 41-14400 324
188 430712 41-13908 324
928 430713 42-10430 33
58 430713 41-14467 324
450 430720 41-19973 325
446 430722 42-10475 325
452 430722 42-10887 325
461 430726 42-9914 23
525 430728 42-10558 325
431 430730 42-10898 325

Re: P-40 downed Sicilian coast (?)
 

think the pic was taken at the beach of Santa Agata, northeast of Messina/Sicily, will spent some time to check the MACR - maybe find the right one, because some german soldiers around the wreckage, so think the pilot maybe taken POW.

khorat

Re: P-40 downed Sicilian coast (?)
 

538 430702 42-10941 324 Sicily
537 430703 42-10796 324 Sicily
60 430704 41-14588 324 Sicily
451 430707 42-11046 325 Sicily
59 430706 42-14241 324 Sicily
62 430708 42-10460 324 Sicily
63 430708 41-13939 324 Sicily
61 430708 41-20027 324 Sicily
49 430709 41-14268 324 Sicily
48 430709 41-14231 324 Sicily
47 430709 41-19994 324 Sicily
448 430710 41-19984 325 Sicily
344 430710 42-10609 33 Mediterranean
187 430711 41-14400 324 Sicily
188 430712 41-13908 324 Sicily
928 430713 42-10430 33 Mediterranean
58 430713 41-14467 324 Sicily

Re: P-40 downed Sicilian coast (?)
 

Hi,

there is the photo from Don Woerpel´s book The 79th FG (Schiffer publ.) - number of aircraft looks like X6o6, but this crash is from Gulf of Tunis 22.4.1943 - pilot Fred Borsodi unhurt.

Did you show your photo with german soldiers ?

Faenor

Re: P-40 downed Sicilian coast (?)
 

Hi Faenor,
the photo I have will be taken short after the crashlanding, with german soldiers around the plane.

Will see later to bring my new scanner to the pc and show the pic later this day.

Maybe the same plane - beach looks similiar.

khorat

Re: P-40 downed Sicilian coast (?)
 

Hi Khorat.

oki - I´m interesting in MTO and specially in US pilot´s on P-40 Warhawk in Africa campaing and I will look forward to your photo .
Faenor

Re: P-40 downed Sicilian coast (?)
 

ok hope it works - here is the pic

regards
khorat

Re: P-40 downed Sicilian coast (?)
 

Hi Khorat,

nice photo - but poor quallity :-(
In my opinion, this is the same as the aircraft from Don Woerpel´s book The 79th FG (Schiffer publ) :
- same prefix X6star6 and info from the book - Fred Borsodi was downed by AA and escaped
- about 1/2 of missing right wing
- look at the beach - on your photo you will see rush of water in the line with propeller and on the photo from book, there is the aircraft after the tide and the aircraft is propably "broken" after engine section .

Faenor

Re: P-40 downed Sicilian coast (?)
 

hm the original photos is much better - think too its the same plane - also there (mine pic) only the right wingtip bent up , left wing is ok, but been sure its the same plane.
Thanks to all
khorat

Re: P-40 downed Sicilian coast (?)
 

Hi,

another photo of this downed P-40 :

http://postcards.delcampe.net/page/i...anguage,E.html

Faenor