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RT 29th May 2009 09:46

Losses over Malta on 5.july 1942
 
One more heavy day of steel-rain over Malta, but very few losses if any, heavy fights also for the fighters I.JG77+ II.JG53, seems just on the 5 to 6. night KG77 suffered a loss + an other one the day after..
Anything to add ???

Is there anything written on the Kgr.606 +806 ??

Remi

John Beaman 29th May 2009 14:00

Re: Losses over Malta on 5.july 1942
 
Ju 88A-4,140188, Penningdorf, Hptm. Hans, KGr. 806, 05-Jul-42, Stkp. Injured in crash on take-off. 2 others injured., Mittelmeer, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #6)-Vol.10
Catania, 100%, F

RT 29th May 2009 16:48

Re: Losses over Malta on 5.july 1942
 
Many thks John,

Further on the 606+806 is there any litterature existing ??

Remi

alessandro bray 29th May 2009 20:12

Re: Losses over Malta on 5.july 1942
 
In Rogers Battle over Malta it's an unidentified Ju88 lost during the night of 5/6 july 1942 that crashed near Mgarr with 2 bodies arond the wreckage.Tthe only claimant was P/O Neville Reeves of 89 sqn on Beaufighter

Alessandro

jkalwa 28th February 2010 05:07

Re: Losses over Malta on 5.july 1942
 
I know I am a little late to this topic. But I hope participants will still follow the thread. I am working on a memoir with one of the survivors of this particular crash. I would like to know the source of the information you posted here and if the spelling of the name of the Hauptmann involved is correct. I like to add that by crossreferencing my information and some information in this forum I determined that one of the survivors of this crash died on February 2, 1943 during a mission http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?p=102224
That person would be Karl Mach, who by the way was a relative of this gentleman http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Mach

John Beaman 1st March 2010 14:23

Re: Losses over Malta on 5.july 1942
 
As stated above, the source is Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #6)-Vol.10. It is always possible that the name spelling was done incorrectly by the unit clerk or it was later transcribed incorrectly.

jkalwa 1st March 2010 15:02

Re: Losses over Malta on 5.july 1942
 
Thank you very much.

thenelm 7th March 2010 23:52

Re: Losses over Malta on 5.july 1942
 
Is this the loss you need?
Ju 88A-4, 5729, Behlau, Hptm. Leo, , 6., KG 77, gelbe F, 3Z+FP, , , 06-Jul-42, Stkp. MIA with crew due to Luftkampf with Beaufighter from 89 Sq. (P/O Reeves & Sgt. O'Leary)., , Ob.Bhf.Süd/Mittelmeer, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #6)-Vol.10; Shores, Malta:The Spitfire Year, p.391, , bei Zammitello Palace, Mgarr, Malta, 100%, F, B Fw. Paul Pohler, Bf Fw. Karl Kraus & Bs Uffz. Paul Jaffke, ,

steve sheridan 8th March 2010 11:35

Re: Losses over Malta on 5.july 1942
 
Hi thenhelm, do you have any information on the loss of the following aircrew for early july 1942 lost over Malta.

Oblt Behr 8.7.42
Lt Kleimeier 9.7.42
Uffz Schmitt 9.7.42

Any other further losses from this unit would be welcome, if possible.

Best regs,
Steve.

Juha 11th March 2010 16:01

Re: Losses over Malta on 5.july 1942
 
Hello Steve
nothing on Schmitt but according to Shores’ Malta: The Spitfire Year 1942 p. 402 around 0900 AA shot down Uffz. Herbert Schlitt’s 3Z+ET of 9/KG 77 which crashed in flames in Callus Street, Mosta with the loss of all the crew.

HTH
Juha

steve sheridan 11th March 2010 21:42

Re: Losses over Malta on 5.july 1942
 
Hi Juha,
thank you for the information on the loss of Uffz Schlitt, which is the name i mixed up with Schmitt!
Yes this is my man, nothing on the other two guys?

Best regs,
Steve.

Chris Goss 11th March 2010 22:20

Re: Losses over Malta on 5.july 1942
 
Steve: You are "hijacking" this thread-you might get a better result posting separately?

thenelm 16th March 2010 00:47

Re: Losses over Malta on 5.july 1942
 
Ju 88A-4, 5513, Schlitt, Uffz. Herbert, , 9., KG 77, gelbe E, 3Z+ET, , , 09-Jul-42, KIA with crew due to Flak. Crashed into house., , Ob.Bhf.Süd/Mittelmeer, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #6)-Vol.10; Shores, Malta:The Spitfire Year, p.402, , Callus Street, Mosta, Malta, 100%, F, B Uffz. Josef Forster, Bf Ogefr. Andreas Pollack & Bs Uffz. Franz Schmiedl, ,
Ju 88A-4, 142153, Kleimeier, Ltn. Friedrich, , 4., KG 77, weiße A, 3Z+AM, , , 09-Jul-42, MIA with crew due to Luftkampf with RAF fighters or Flak. F later reported KIA., WNr. 2153 per loss., Ob.Bhf.Süd/Mittelmeer, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #6)-Vol.10; Shores, Malta:The Spitfire Year, p.403, , (Venezia), 100%, F, B Ofw. Herbert Kühn, Bf Uffz. Klaus Witt & Bs Fw. Karl Schmidt, ,

steve sheridan 16th March 2010 13:03

Re: Losses over Malta on 5.july 1942
 
Hi thenelm, im very grateful for your help in identifying the crew members lost on 9.7.42. It really helps indeed. Many thanks.

Best regs,
Steve.

Juha 16th March 2010 22:09

Re: Losses over Malta on 5.july 1942
 
Hello Steve
nothing to add to thenelm’s message on Kleimeier
on Oblt Behr
according to Shores’ Malta: The Spitfire Year 1942 p. 400: 3Z+GR flown by Oblt Erich Behr, the StaKa of 7 Staffel, who was reported lost with his crew.

HTH
Juha

steve sheridan 18th March 2010 13:23

Re: Losses over Malta on 5.july 1942
 
Many thanks Juha for your help, it is appreciated.

Steve.

jkalwa 4th December 2010 15:20

Re: Losses over Malta on 5.july 1942
 
I am grateful for the help I received in this forum. The book I was working on as a co-author has been published by Helios Verlag in Germany. "Der Rest wurde am Boden zerstört" by Johannes Buchmann is a first-hand memoir about aspects of the air war in the Mediterranean and about Buchmann's escape from a Soviet POW camp in Austria. An American newspaper wrote Buchmann before the publishing of the book http://www.countytimes.com/articles/...c689186204.txt
The German publisher's listing: http://www.helios-verlag.com/autoren...ser_helios_pi2[showUid]=145&cHash=64570db3ba


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