Luftwaffe Aircraft Loss Reports?
 

Hi,

How do I find Luftwaffe Aircraft Loss Reports? I could also use the correct German spelling for these reports as well.

I've been to the US Archives, but have had no luck.

TIA,
Mike

Re: Luftwaffe Aircraft Loss Reports?
 

Hi,

You will have to go to German....
Freiburg or Berlin.
If you need a especific day we can help you but the whole pack will be a hard work and it´s not complete and crowded of mistaken.For more detailed, please contact me.

e.arana@uol.com.br

Eduardo.

Re: Luftwaffe Aircraft Loss Reports?
 

Or you can get the aircraft loss records of the General Quartiermeister 6. Abteilung on microfilm at the Imperial War Museum in London.

Re: Luftwaffe Aircraft Loss Reports?
 

Hi.

I have them, either in digital form or scanned.

Contact me for specific questions

Regards

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Andreas - I ve been trying to track down information on a Me 110 and Mustang mid air collision per Macr 4993 and J-1127. The "J" report describes the collision with a Me 110 Training flight...

Date of loss May 19, 1944 near Gardelegen, east of Mieste.

Regards,

Bill

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Maybe this?

Bf 110G-3, 5715, Hallauer, Uffz. Fridolin (F)/Walter, Gefr. Josef (Bf), I./F.A.G. 101,
19-May-44, Rammed by an enemy aircraft, Bf killed., Lfl. Reich, BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/779, p.51, bei Gardelegen, 100%, H

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John - that should be it!. What is the source/reference?

Lt Hudson Packard (parents had sense of humor) chased a "Do 217", last seen in 45 degree dive as both went into cloud deck..

Packard KIA and crashed at Mieste.. OS-I 357FS/355FG

None of the four 355FG Mid Air collisions with German fighters resulted in either a claim or award as the pilots were KIA without witness.

Thank You!

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The source is fiche volume BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/779 - available from the Bundesarchiv in Germany.

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Hmmm..... I think the "J" report you referenced may be from the so-called Luftgau downed enemy aircraft report series held by the U.S. National Archives in WashDC. There are thousands and thousands of them and they are as below:

KU-1 to KU-3800 (Allied bombers, western, northern and central Europe);
Me-1 to Me-2963 (Allied aircraft Mediterranean theater);
KSU-43 to KSU-3658 (contents unclear);
USA-1000/1 to USA-1000/115 (contents unclear);
J-1 to J-3217 (Allied fighters, western, northern and central Europe) - these are to be found in Entries 1013 and 1014;
AV-1 to AV-2416 (contents unclear);
RUS-21 to RUS-6016 (downed Russian aircraft);
etc., etc.

These are all in NARA Record Group 242, Entries 1011 through 1039. Each number, i.e., J-1127, is a folder detailed the investigation of the downed Allied aircraft, eyewitness reports, recovery of remains, burial details, and many folders also contain dogtags, photos, letters and other personal possessions recovered from deceased airmen found in the wreckage.

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Thanks - I did not know about the AV-1, RUS or USA series.

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There are a bunch of others, too. The ones I listed are just the main ones. The correct title of the collection is: Records of Luftgaukommandos Downed Allied Aircraft Reports. The index to these 700 linear feet of files can be found on 17 microfiche that are part of RG 92 (why there and not RG 242 is a mystery). You can find more details here:

http://www.lwag.org/forums/showthrea...ftgaukommandos

I just tried to locate the collection using SEARCH on the NARA web site ( http://www.archives.gov/ ) but I couldn't find it. I suspect they haven't yet entered it into their on-line catalog.

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Hi, Larry

Was the entire files photographed onto microfilm? Or only an index?

Especially interested in the Russian downed aircraft part.

BTW, link to the record of the Bf 110 referred to earlier:

http://www.ahs.no/ref_db/lw_loss_pub...?lossid=138560

Regards,
Andreas B

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Extremely interesting! Are those files available for ordering, working with?

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Thx for reference Andreas!

Bill

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Hi Andreas,

Sadly, this large collection has never been microfilmed. These are original German papers and the only collection of captured German documents that were not returned to the BRD in the 1960's and 1970's. They were permanently confiscated because they deal directly and exclusively with downed Allied air crew. To this day, the administrators and archivists at BA-MA Freiburg remain bitter about it. I've got one word for them: Tough.

Larry

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Hi Larry, if I may, the correct references for, firstly, the microfiche indexes and, secondly, the actual folders of reports are:

RG 92.9.2 Missing Air Crew Reports, Air Crashes by Date: 4 September 1939-8 May 1945 (Lists of Allied air crashes prepared from German sources, 1939-45), Records of the American Graves Registration Service (AGRS) Missing Air Crew Reports, National Archives Microfiche Publication M1380, fiches 5970-5984.

RG 242.9.4 Luftgaukommando Reports pertaining to downed Allied aircraft 1939-45

The microfiche indexes, of course, only relate to aircraft of the Western Allies, and, in many cases for RAF aircraft, an individual folder for a crash isn't held at NARA, there only being a reference to the crash being in a summary telex on a file for a USAAF aircraft. The British Ministry of Defence has custody of the large collection of original reports relating to RAF aircraft, all of which remain classified.

Sadly, I think that documents from some of the original folders at NARA may have been stolen over the years, based on a small number of surveyed files that were missing summary signals referred to in the microfiche indexes.

Thanks for confirmation of the existence of the Soviet air force crash reports - I often wondered if these were declassified. I wonder if any effort was ever made to index them? I doubt it.

Cheers

Rod

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Hi Rod,

No wonder I couldn't find it on the NARA web site. I would even suspect that a lot has happened to that collection since I last worked with it in 1985-86 at the Suitland Federal Records Center. There were whispers among the archivists (Bill Lewis, Amy Schmidt and others at that time) even back then that there had already been some pilfering. With personal effects in many of the folders, the temptation was just too great for the light-of-hand. People who steal from archives should be turned over to the Saudis and tried before a Sharia court, and we all know what sentence they dispense for theft. At that time the collection was labeled T-1033, but it was changed when everything was moved to Archives II in College Park in 1995-96.

Thanks for the update on this valuable and interesting collection, Rod. Thanks to you, researchers can now find it among NARA's vast and often confusing holdings.

Larry

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I am also very much interested in these reports (RUS-21 to RUS-6016). Perhaps, once identified in the archive's holdings, we could join efforts and order copies, sharing the cost? I am open to any suggestions.

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I think I had better post a cautionary caveat here before anyone starts spending their hard-earned money. The Luftgaukommando Reports collection was divided up among the Four Powers (Britain, U.S., France and Russia) shortly after it was captured. The British got all the folders pertaining to downed RAF and Commonwealth aircraft, the French the French aircraft, the U.S. the American aircraft and the USSR the Russian aircraft. I am 99% certain that the 700 linear feet of folders at NARA WashDC contain just the American aircraft incidents. The original catalog labels, including RUS-21 to RUS-6016, were retained for information purposes only so future researchers would know the depth and breadth of the total collection. I have some notes on the collection as it existed when I was working it in 1985-86, and I will retrieve them and make the information available in a future posting here.

Larry

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As promised earlier:


Hope that helps and its catches those who were reaching for their wallets in time.

Larry

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Hi Larry,

thanks for the wonderful and important description of what was in the original captured cache of records, and I can add a few snippets regarding this collection.

I have seen reference in RAF Missing Research and Enquiry Service correspondence that the documents were found in a cellar.

The reference to the microfilm is very interesting. Read on...

The actual folders of textural documents etc relate to files of Dulag-Luft or Auswertungsstelle West, for the 'KU'/'J'/'KE' etc prefix and numerical reference was added by them.

As to the microfilms, among the records in the UK, are photoprints presumably from these films that have made it into The National Archives, within the RAF Special Investigation Branch files (see AIR 40/2294-2312). They relate to typed German-language interrogation reports (which, in relation to the reports relating to British aircraft at least, carry the prefix 'VE') that could be thought of as similar to the ADI(K) interrogation reports. There are also English-Language translation of many of these reports in the Special Investigation Branch files, but I don't know if these relate to or derive from the English-Language translations mentioned in the original cache. I've attached a sample of one of the translated interrogation reports and of a photoprint from these files. It would be interesting to know where the interrogation reports for American PoWs are...

Also, significant portion of the reports in the NARA holding, including everything from 1939 to around 1942, are not the Dulag-Luft/ Auswertungsstelle West files but photoprints of crash reports for Luftgaukommando XI. I was informed by NARA that the British supplied the Americans with duplicates of the original microfilms for the Luftgaukommando XI. material, and that photoprints were made by the Americans from the fims. These account for the six-digit references in the RG 92 microfiche index, for that number relates to the microfilm frame number. Note that there are over 30,000 individual frames. I'd thought that this material had been captured seperately from the Dulag-Luft/ Auswertungsstelle West material (i.e. it was part of the Luftgaukommando XI. archives).

The interrogation reports and Luftgaukommando XI. reports may account for some or all of the 17 microfilm reels mentioned in the original cache. Where are the original microfilms? That's anyones guess! I would suspect that they are still under lock and key in the UK. Does NARA still hold the 17 reels mentioned?

The RG 92 index on micofiche derives from a post-war document and presumably was prepared in the US as an aid to organising and working with the reports they received. This explains why there are many mis-spelt place names and why so few of the 10,300+ KE files are not indexed (for they reside with the British).

Anyway, I hope that this adds a little to our overall knowledge.

Cheers

Rod

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Hi Rod,

Again, you have provided a super tanker full of previously unknown detail on this collection!

I wholeheartedly agree with your analysis and hypothesis concerning the microfilm rolls. I knew that 17 reels of 35mm film would contain far too many frames for just 17 microfiche sheets, and concluded that they must include other material, too. But I had no clue what they might be until you revealed that the RAF had been busy microfilming parts of the overall collection.

Also, it appears from your description that the total collection was far larger and more encompassing than I had previously thought. I remember seeing postwar papers and correspondence on the collection at Suitland but I did not pay much attention or attempt to read through them at the time because I was focused on other things. But I have vague recollections that the collection was originally in the hands of the post hostilities intelligence teams who, realizing what they had, quickly turned it over to the graves registration command echelons.

I think a researcher with the motivation and time could turn this into a good book that describes the collection's German origins, how it was found in the ruins of the Reich, how it was exploited by the intelligence and graves people after being divided among the four allies, and how in lay dormant for many years before enthusiasts began showing a renewed interest in it.

Thanks again, Rod.

Larry

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The following notes relate to RodM's and others comments, above. During my tenure as an Air Force reference archivist at the AFHRA, I had access to, and sometimes consulted, the 17-fiche long list of crashed Allied aircraft in the West that RodM refers to. In my opinion, these 17 microfiche are worth purchasing if one is specializing in research on Allied losses in the West. As stated above, however, the "loss list" is (a) incomplete, and (b) often marred by spelling errors. But overall, it's a valuable resource for those seeking enlightenment about losses of the Western Allies, not least because of its convenient chronological arrangment.


NARA RG 92 - MISSING AIR CREW REPORTS

AIR CRASHES BY DATE

At the end of the National Archives RG 92 series of Missing Air Crew Reports (MACRs) on microfiche there are seventeen (17) additional fiche which may be highly useful to research in RAF and USAAF aircraft losses during World War II. These fiche list RAF and USAAF aircraft lost arranged chronologically by date of loss. Reading across the page, information given in columns is:

1) Day, month, year of loss
2) Time of day
3) Type of aircraft
4) Aircraft identification and/or markings
5) Exact place of loss, e.g., "3 km. east of Platon [Belgium]"
6) Reference to files (KU series and others), at least some of which are
now in the U.S. National Archives.

The lists are apparently incomplete, but by using them, one can identify at least some crashed RAF and USAAF aircraft by day date and exact location of the crash, then obtain the captured German loss records from the National Archives. From there, to the MACR, or such British records as may be available!

Fiche No. 5970 - 4 Sep. 1939-31 Dec. 1942
5971/01 - 3 Jan. 1943-31 Dec. 1943
5971/02 - 3 Jan. 1943-31 Dec. 1943 (seven images only)
5972 - 1 Jan. 1944-29 Feb. 1944
5973 - March 1944
5974 - April 1944
5975 - May 1944
5976 - June 1944
5977 - July 1944
5978 - August 1944
5979 - September 1944
5980 - October 1944
5981 - November 1944
5982 - December 1944
5983 - Jan. 1945-Mar. 1945
5984 - Additional German records on aircraft from 30 Dec. 1943-June 1944
5985 - RAF Bomber Command battle casualty report listed alphabetically by organization for January 1945 (17 pages or images only). Gives names of RAF BC casualties by unit. Jan. 45 only.

As of 1 October 2002: Each fiche $4.25 US. Minimum mail order $6.00 US. Pay to: National Archives Trust Fund. Order from:
National Archives and Records Administration
Archives II - College Park
Attn: Modern Military Records (NWCTM)
8601 Adelphi Road
College Park, MD 20740-6001

I hope the above information proves helpful to someone.

Rabe Anton

Re: Luftwaffe Aircraft Loss Reports?
 

Hi Larry and Rabe,

thanks for the additional info.

Among the problems are trying to discover the source of the documents (for the collection may or may not have been the accumulation of documents captured from various sources at differing locations), the exact extent and scope of the documentation, and exactly what and how much was distributed to whom.

As previously mentioned, the documentation still in British hands largely remains classified, and the MoD has been keeping pretty mum on the subject. The RAF AHB have stated that the actual surviving Luftgaukommando crash reports are probably incorporated within the individual MRES Casualty Investigation files, while the reports that could not be linked to a specific loss have reputedly been destroyed. As to the interrogation reports (a) I don't know what percentage the reports found in AIR 40 at TNA constitute of the total captured reports, or (b) where the reports relating to American PoWs are and whether they still classified.

As an addition to Rabe's comments on the microfiche, the subscription website Footnote.com, which is contracted to digitise a lot of NARA records, has available all the individual pages of the index in JPEG form, along with all the MACR reports.

Cheers

Rod

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I've spent the last few days at the Archives using this reference,

Fiche No. 5970 - 4 Sep. 1939-31 Dec. 1942
5971/01 - 3 Jan. 1943-31 Dec. 1943
5971/02 - 3 Jan. 1943-31 Dec. 1943 (seven images only)
5972 - 1 Jan. 1944-29 Feb. 1944
5973 - March 1944
5974 - April 1944
5975 - May 1944
5976 - June 1944
5977 - July 1944
5978 - August 1944
5979 - September 1944
5980 - October 1944
5981 - November 1944
5982 - December 1944
5983 - Jan. 1945-Mar. 1945
5984 - Additional German records on aircraft from 30 Dec. 1943-June 1944
5985 - RAF Bomber Command battle casualty report listed alphabetically by organization for January 1945 (17 pages or images only). Gives names of RAF BC casualties by unit. Jan. 45 only.

While the above fiche list the British losses and assigns them a 6 digit number, there are no British reports at NARA.
I have spent a little time looking thru the AV, KU, ME, J, etc. reports and have only found reports dealing with American aircraft or American Airmen.

If I can help you with items from NARA or NASM feel free to contact me.
http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=15094

Regards,
Mike

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Hi Mike,

as previously mentioned the six-figure digit references relate to reports from Luftgaukommando XI. for both American and British losses.

NARA does hold photoprints of these; I have obtained copies of a few hundred of pages (majority relating to RAF losses) from NARA in the past = attached is a sample, frame number 131229 (to correct my earlier post, the captured films may not contain 30,000+ frames but 130,000+ frames).

Of the RAF-related KE/J files, these are in British hands, but I have found a very small number of original KE reports misfiled on KU/J files at NARA.

Mike, have you looked at the last fiche for RAF BC losses in Jan 1945? Do the documents appear to be of German or British origin? Are there any reference numbers listed (I ask because the RAF Missing Research and Enquiry Service appear to have used a master index of losses during their invesigations, but I don't know if this list has been made public in the UK)?

Rabe, I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiments on the stealing of artifacts and documents from the files. As to the microfilms, I'm not so sure that this microfilming was done post-war by the British. The microfilms may have been of German origin and captured in that format.

Cheers

Rod

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Sweet Cheezus Rod, that photoprint is of the Mosquito losses on Clarion!


"Tell your master, that if he will give us food and shelter for the night, he may join us on our quest for the Holy Grail."

"Ah, well ah'll ask 'im, but I don' think 'e'll be ver' keen. "E's already got one, you know."


(Wouldn't have a higher-res version, would you?)

Re: Luftwaffe Aircraft Loss Reports?
 

Hi Rod,

Perhaps you could point me in the right direction then, as no Archivists have been able to find or show me any 6 digit reports.

Do you know which Record Group, microfilm # or fiche # these are kept on?

Or are you referring to the British Reports from Jan. 45 only, fiche 5985?

Regards,
Mike

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Hi Mike,

firstly, the photo prints with the six-digit frame number references are in RG 242 and should be a part of the collection of Luftgau reports.

I originally obtained around 60-70 pages of A3 copy from these photo prints (two photo prints to an A3 page) via a mail enquiry several years ago. The male NARA archivist involved with the enquiry/order ('sorry, I don't recall his name) informed me that (a) the photo prints were made from microfilm provided by the British, and (b) that he didn't know of the current whereabouts of these films. He also asked that I stop ordering large numbers of photocopies from these photo prints (if I remember correctly, under the pretext that the handling of prints could damage them).

A couple of years later I hired a researcher to photograph the remaining photo prints that I required, and they dealt with the same archivist who handled my original copy order. The researcher was able to go through the original photo prints and photograph all of what I requested.

I should state that I can only assume that at least at that time they held an entire set of photo prints, for the 250-odd frames that I eventually obtained in copy were all from a very select period, and no frames were missing from the lots I obtained.

Unfortunately I no longer have the order sheet, which would provide the exact file reference.

Yes, I do mean fiche 5985 (I see that I actually do have this fiche, I thought that I didn't). Please note that the fiche does not relate to RAF Bomber Command but to the 21st Bomber Command USAAF.

Mark, yes the photo print does relate to the 2TAF Mosquito operations and losses from Clarion on 22 February 1945. The RAF Special Branch files in AIR 40 at TNA also contain a number of translated interrogation reports from captured aircrew from Mosquitoes lost during the operation.

Cheers

Rod

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Thanks Rod.

You wouldn't happen to have a higher-rez version would you? I'm trying to sharpen up the print as posted, but some of the info is still only tantalisingly close to legibility.

Cheers,

Mark

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Hi Mark,

I do have a much higher res photo, but one of the problems is posting it here is the file size restrictions for uploading.

The original photo print is in AIR 40/2316 at TNA. A duplicate British Air Ministry photo print, along with a 10-page English translation of a German Interrogation report specifically derived from the 2 TAF Mosquito losses during Clarion are in AIR 40/2316 at TNA.

NARA in the US should have photo prints of the following frames from the Luftgaukommando XI. microfilm in RG 242 that relate to the Mosquito losses during Clarion (caveat, Mike has indicated that NARA are now stating that they don't have this series of photo prints). Note - these are the Luftgaukommando copies of the reports/signals, not the Dulag Luft copies, which would have been assigned KE numbers:

Frames 132291 and 132291a
Frame 132307
Frame 132314
Frames 132318 and 132319
Frame 132326
Frames 132330 to 132339 inclusive
Frames 132347 to 132352 inclusive
Frames 132355 to 132368 inclusive

If you sent me a PM with your e-mail, then I can e-mail the high res version of the map.

Cheers

Rod

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Hi,

If the photo prints exist, no one there seems to know how to locate them.
I will be at the Archives this week and wil try again using your information.

I've reviewed the RG242 finding aid numerous times (hundreds of subjects), all of the reports listed have a letter prefix, i.e. AV, KE, KU, ME, J, etc. and are located & ordered that way.
Have not found any reports marked only Luftgaukommando XI with a 6 digit designator.

I'm sorry if I'm still not clear on this, are all of the photo prints you received from NARA dated Jan. 1945 (from fiche 5985)?

I am trying to locate earlier reports (1939-1944).

Regards,
Mike

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Hi Mike,

the six-digit reports that I ordered were referenced in the indexes on the fiches for November 1944 (# 5981), December 1944 (# 5982), and (mostly) January through to March 1945 (# 5983).

Having looked at fiche # 5985, this appears to have nothing to do with RAF BC in January 1945, instead it contains a list of personnel (name, rank, serial number) of the 20th Bomber Command USAAF.

The last verifiable time that I know the photo prints were viewed at NARA was early 2006, this from the EXIF data of the digital photos of photo prints that I received. My original photocopy order was probably made in 2005.

The frames (totalling 245) that I have copies of run from 131223 to 132742, all relating to losses in 1945 (I did get copies of some earlier frames for late 1944 for a colleague, but no longer have these myself).

If NARA had made photo prints of all the frames mentioned in the RG 92 indexes, then they would have totalled some 30,000+ prints (I see that the reports start in 1939 at around frame 101,400 and end in 1945 in the 132,700s. It was never a case of them making photo prints just for my order, and, besides, half the copies of frames that I obtained were personally photographed by a researcher.

Unfortunately, I no longer have the correspondence pertaining to my dealings with NARA or the orders.

The photo prints are most likely not indexed under Luftgaukommando XI.; it is just that I know this is where they originate from and were probably a part of a cache of Luftgaukommando XI. documents captured by the British in the closing stages of the war (this cache including the Luftgaukommando XI. KTB and an Abschuesseliste). I make this presumption because (a) a large LGK. XI. archive was captured, and (b) they are the Luftgau copies of the reports, and thus do not have a KE/J etc identifier, which was only added at Dulag Luft/Auswertungsstelle West, and (c) if the documents were a part of the Dulag Luft/Auswertungsstelle West collection, one would think that similar documents from other Luftgaukommandos would have survived. The British either captured the microfilm or the original photo prints.


I don't know if the following helps but I believe I made my initial enquiries of NARA based upon Box 77 in RG 242, Stack Area 190, Row 14, Compartment 5, Shelf 3. Box 77 contained a file (RG 242/1033) that had an alphabetical index of crash reports by crash location (this being seperate from the index by report type, i.e. KU/J etc).

Cheers

Rod

PS - Mike, an update - I do retain the original invoice for the six-digit frames (all in the 131000s) that I ordered, and they were all from Box 38, RG 242, Stack Area 190, Row 14, Compartment 4, Shelf 5.

Mark, thanks for the PM, requested high-res pic has been e-mailed

Re: Luftwaffe Aircraft Loss Reports?
 

Thanks Rod, check PMs.

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Gentlemen,

Should we understand that there is no chance of obtaining copies of any RUS files (from either USA or UK archives), short of contacting Moscow (the latter is a joke, of course)?

Re: Luftwaffe Aircraft Loss Reports?
 

The RUS reports are not in the U.S. archives; there is only a single box with an index to them. Since these were divided up among the Allies after the war, the presumption is that the RUS reports were turned over to the generous, always happy to share, USSR, and today are readily available in the Russia MOD archives in Podolsk, which is open to the public 24/7/365 and has a friendly staff of thousands eager to serve the international research community's every whim.

Re: Luftwaffe Aircraft Loss Reports?
 

You forgot the winking emoticon from the end of the sentence, Larry. ;)

Re: Luftwaffe Aircraft Loss Reports?
 

Omitting irony, I should say that no such material are held in Podolsk, unfortunately.

Re: Luftwaffe Aircraft Loss Reports?
 

Hi, all

So where did it end up then? I would also suspect, that if it wasnt divided immediately after the war, that the US kept on to what they could??

Regards,
Andreas B

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Can I have a copy of the digital files of german aircraft losses