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Can someone give me details on missions flown by the stab of each of these geschwader on 1.9.39

Anything on take-off times (delays), bomb loads, crews, targets, etc. would be most appreciated.

Thanks in advance

Adam

Re: KG 1,3 and 4

Hi Adam,

stab/KG1 the first combat mission was flown by observer Kessler`s crew with He 111H V4+AA between 13.00 - 15.25.
stab/KG3 one recce flight Do17Z 5K+KA with Olt.Fehle`s crew 03.30-08.06.
stab/KG4:
08.35-12.25 He 111P 5J+FA Lt.Wichartz`s crew wheather condition flight and recce flight over airfields in Dęblin and Radom. The crew attacked with bombs the airfield in Radom but there`s were not any planes observed.
11.00-12.00 the staff flight moved to Langenau and was over Kraków together with I/KG4 (13.35-13.45). The He 111P 5J+GA wih crew: Unf.Gasch,Unf.Wunderlich,Unf.Winkler, Unf.Rohrwege due to poor visibility could`t attack and returned to base only at 18.00. The He 111P 5J+AA with Oberst M.Fiebig on board recognized the airfields in Kraków and Rybnik. 3 polish fighters tried to attack but were to slowly. The a/c returned at 15.50. The He 111P 5J+EA returned at 15.52.
11.35-16.15 He 111P 5J+IA with Olt.Schieckel`s crew recce flihgt over airfields in Wadowice, Wieliczka, Kraków, Tarnów, Dębica, Jarosław and Lwów.
At 14.50 He 111P 5J+FA was over airfield Dęblin-Zajezierze. Bomb attack but without results (none aircrafts on the airfield).
Source: M.Emmerling "Luftwaffe over Poland 1939.Kampfflieger Part 2".

Regards

Robert

Re: KG 1,3 and 4 fao Robert

Hi Robert,
What a superb answer to Adam's request!
The book you mention by Emmerling sounds excellent, could you give me any further information as to the dates this Part covers, and whether it includes the
markings for the losses throughout, as seen above? Also where can i purchase this book.

Regards,
Steve.

Re: KG 1,3 and 4

Hi Steve,

this book covers the German bomber units in September 1939 over Poland (mission, losses, etc.).
Unfortunately is in polish. When you want I can buy it for you and send you.

Regards

Robert

Re: KG 1,3 and 4

Hi Robert,

Many thanks for your reply and offer to help.
Unfortunately i didnt realise that this book was in Polish, Iwonder how easily it would be to translate? also do you know how much the book would cost?

Regards,
Steve.

Re: KG 1,3 and 4

Hi,

this book costs some 40-50 PLN (ca.10-13 Euro). The shipping costs will be about 20 PLN (I send one copy to USA) but I dont remember this so perfectly.
Translation...Hmm...?

Regards

Robert

P.S. I can check for you something in this book when you want.

Re: KG 1,3 and 4

Hi Robert,

Thanks for your kind offer of help, if i decide to order it from you i will let you know.

Many thanks
Steve.

Re: KG 1,3 and 4

Hi Steve,
if you need some info from my books please ask me directly.
Perhaps in the future it will be published in English, but we will see.

Regards,
Marius

Re: KG 1,3 and 4

Hello Marius,

Nice to read you again, after so long time...

I would certainly buy the English translation of your book.

Re: KG 1,3 and 4

Hi Marius,

Has you may have seen from my previous messages,
i for one, would certainly be interested in a copy of your book translated in English, although i must say im tempted to order the current Polish edition!
Marius, do you have any scans or could you copy some examples of the losses or kills from the appendices, i wonder if id be able to translate these myself?

Incidently, where would i be able to purchase copies of these books from,
would it be yourself, or another outlet, and if so what is the cost?

Rgs,
Steve.

Re: KG 1,3 and 4

Hi Denes,
I hope you are fine! Indeed it was a long time ago...

Do you know a publisher who would let translate it (from German) into English and bring it out?

Steve,
I will try to make some claim and loss lists everybody understands.
You can buy the book in Poland. Please mail me later, I have to ask for it.

Marius

Re: KG 1,3 and 4

Thank you Marius, will do.

Rgs,
Steve.

Re: KG 1,3 and 4

Quote:

Originally Posted by robert

Hello RobertWith great interest I have read your report of 6-27-2005 to Adam today. I investigate just at the story of the KG 1 of 1939 to 1940., too. I especially need information about uses of the Stabsstaffel of the KG1 over Poland , France and England: ( Heinkel He 111, V4+FA ), Which strength had the Stabsstaffel (types and codes) and which airfields were used till Septembers 1940. Perhaps do you also have information about the combat missions against France and England? Can you help me?It is the history of my uncle, he was fired over England in September 1940. I am grateful to you for every small note. A question: There still is the book for !!!, I would be interested !! I would be happy to hear of you.Kind regardsRainer'