USAF LOSS
 

Part of a browning Cal50 MG fished from north sea, off Calais - France
Number 888602 still readable.
Is this number listed on a macr. Identity of the a/c?

Thanks

Re: USAF LOSS
 

hello,
Short answer is yes it would be recorded in an MACR.
But you would have to know the a/c serial number or the MACR number or crewmembers name first I expect, unless it can be brought up on the Footnote site by entering the number of the gun ?
Good luck
Alex

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answer is in microfilm roll A1115 volume 2 - machine gun serials number 686963 to 1085953 - frames 4 to 755.

Perhaps somebody has this microfilm roll in his records.

Wise62

Re: USAF LOSS
 

Good evening wise62 !

In my possession is microfilm reel A1115. But my list starts with the machine-gun number 686968. The number 888602 does not appear in my reel. Does probably a second, additional account appear on this reel ?.

Or does another reel exist with the frames 4 - 755 and is it available ?.

All the best !

Horst Weber

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I wonder if this gun may of come from the mid under position on a Halifax or Lancaster?
Richard

Re: USAF LOSS
 

hello Richard,

here is the link with the micro films rolls :http://www.airforcehistory.hq.af.mil/faq/MACR.htm.

the serial numbers of the vol2 are from 686968 to 1085953, so 888602 should be there.
In fact two wrecks of machine guns have been fished :
one with the serial readable : 888602, with what seems to be an automatic system of armement,
the second part of MG , in very poor condition, serial not readable, has a manuel system for armement, so man handed at a window of the a/c.
A part of frame, also in very poor condition, seemps to be from a B17 and not from a Lanc or Halifax.

Wise62

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second MG : perhaps serial number 650382.

Wise62

Re: USAF LOSS
 

likely to have been tossed overboard to shed weight on the way over the channel. If so, even if it ditched, there probably were survivors and it probably would not have been on a MACR (for MIA a/c)

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probably rid over the north sea to ligthen the ac!
however pictures

Thanks all

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Thanks to AFHSO Research Team!!!

B17G 42-31511 601st BG 612nd BS "Fool's Luck III"
FTR 10/04/44
Gaston Meredith FOX crew
target : Brussels
0850h -in sea off Calais Dunkirk
MACR 3939

Wise62

Re: USAF LOSS
 

Good evening Wise62 and others !

Interesting case. In particular the fact, that the numbers of the installed weapons don't show up in microfilm A1115.
Could the reason be, that the numbers were on the reverse page of the MACR main page and were simply overseen by the compilation of A1115 ?.
It's the first time, that I got faced in such situation and does anyone has experiences in those very rare circumstances like that.

Thanks !

Horst Weber

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Horst,

You are right.
The serial numbers of the MG are not listed on the main page of the MACR, but on a second page, perhaps the reverse of the main one's.

Wise62