New pic of a Bf 109 G-6 (in Ainring?), 1945
 

Dear all,

I just found this yet to be published shot of Bf 109 G-6; this plane rings a bell of one of the machines foud at Ainring in 1945 and published by Jerry Crandall, but as I don't have his JV 44's Fw 109 D-9 Schutzstaffel publication under my hand, I cannot be sure. Right or wrong?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wj_souza/3891450392/sizes/o/

The photo was taken by W.J. Souza, 20th Armored Division.

Cheers
Marc

Re: New pic of a Bf 109 G-6 (in Ainring?), 1945
 

Good find Marc!
Thanks to share.
Cheers,
Franck.

Re: New pic of a Bf 109 G-6 (in Ainring?), 1945
 

C'est avec plaisir, Franck!

With pleasure, Franck; do you have the Crandall publication by any chance?

Cheers
Marc

Re: New pic of a Bf 109 G-6 (in Ainring?), 1945
 

Looks like something went BANG in the cockpit.

Re: New pic of a Bf 109 G-6 (in Ainring?), 1945
 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/goldtob...87441/sizes/o/

This is Me 109K?????

Re: New pic of a Bf 109 G-6 (in Ainring?), 1945
 

As a WAG, unikum, I would say it is a Bf 109 G or some sort -- G-6AS, or G-10, or G-14AS -- because of the small hinged cover at the right side of the photo on the wing. I take that to be the cover for the MG 151/20 ammo box. And while that would be present for the above-named a/c, it would not be present for the Bf 109K, which had an engine-mounted MK 108 30mm gun.

But, I have been wrong before.
All the best,
George

PS. Popping a grenade into the cockpit was a good way to disable an aircraft.

Re: New pic of a Bf 109 G-6 (in Ainring?), 1945
 

unikum,

With the square panel bulge on the fuselage present, it looks to be an Erla-built 109G-10.

HTH,

D.B.

Re: New pic of a Bf 109 G-6 (in Ainring?), 1945
 

Non malheureusement Marc,

No Marc, no books home. Only internet datas and I haven't classified all of them (miss from G-6 to K-4) yet! But I'm sure it will change, soon.

Cheers,
Franck.

Re: New pic of a Bf 109 G-6 (in Ainring?), 1945
 

Hello Marc,

After a quick look, I haven't seen this one in Jerry Crandall publication....
Eric

Re: New pic of a Bf 109 G-6 (in Ainring?), 1945
 

Un grand merci Eric!

Keep it up Ouidjat

Cheers
Marc

Re: New pic of a Bf 109 G-6 (in Ainring?), 1945
 

Hi, guys

Extremely nice photo of what happens when you put a hand grenade in a cockpit. Would be a very nice task for a modeller to replicate...

regards

Re: New pic of a Bf 109 G-6 (in Ainring?), 1945
 

when you put a hand grenade in a cockpit

If it is really what happened, we couldn't say that the G-6 is an up-armoured plane, at least on the left side...

Remi

Re: New pic of a Bf 109 G-6 (in Ainring?), 1945
 

Anders, Rémy,

Here another Bf 109 G with hand grenade damage, and this time, Rémy, on the right side ;-))

Source:
http://deutsch-militaria.forumactif....affe-t1359.htm

Cheers
Marc

Re: New pic of a Bf 109 G-6 (in Ainring?), 1945
 

Second Bf 109: The winterscene rember me at the crash of Uffz.Maxis from JG 53 at 1. January 1945 near Saarlautern.

Re: New pic of a Bf 109 G-6 (in Ainring?), 1945
 

Hello,

Which second picture? The 2nd posted by Marc or the 2nd in this thread posted by Unikum?
Interesting then; I din't know LW flew with a grenade in their pocket, did they?
And no other crash in January 1945, during winter of course, except Maxis one?
Regards,
Franck.

Re: New pic of a Bf 109 G-6 (in Ainring?), 1945
 

Unikum, George, D. B. and hanshauprich,

I fully concurr with D. B: the curved engine bearer of the DB 605 D and the flat left fuselage panel to accomodate it points straight to an Erla-built Bf 109 G-10.

This excludes Uffz Hubert Maxi's Bf 109 G-14/AS, Wnr 784993 "White 13" of 14. /JG 53. After checking the published Luftwaffe loss lists in John Manhro's so excellent "Bodenplatte", I found suprisingly few Bf 109 G-10's and actually only one machine which Wnr (130361) fits with the known production blocks of Erla lost on 1 1 1945. It was "Blue 2" piloted by Fw. Alfred Mannchen of 16. /JG 27. The machine came down near Utrecht, the pilot being KIA. This does not fit with what we see of the picture: a neatly crash-landed machine...

Cheers
Marc

Re: New pic of a Bf 109 G-6 (in Ainring?), 1945
 

Marc,

Wouldn't G-10 WNr. 130361 be one of the relatively rare Messerschmitt-built airframes?

Steve Sheflin

Re: New pic of a Bf 109 G-6 (in Ainring?), 1945
 

You are correct, Steve, although they were not that rare. Also, as such, it was not an Erla-built machine!

Re: New pic of a Bf 109 G-6 (in Ainring?), 1945
 

Marc,

What appears to be a neat landing doesn't always indicate what transpired before getting to point 'B'. Who's to say the pilot didn't survive the crash-landing?

Stephen

Re: New pic of a Bf 109 G-6 (in Ainring?), 1945
 

Steve, John,

Thanks for correcting me! Unfortunately I answered relying on what remains of my memory and thus surmized the wrong producer.

John, is it not a left -hand flat panneled and thus Erla-built machine? That's what I see beyond the smiling GI...

MF144, correct, got your point... Research assumptions against true life accounts which cannot be traced based on this partial shot of the machine...

Cheers
Marc

Re: New pic of a Bf 109 G-6 (in Ainring?), 1945
 

No! Usually, the boys left behind to destroy the airfield facilities would blow up what they could and disable what they couldn't. While these a/c may not have actually been blown up by a grenade, they would have been most easily disabled by damaging the cockpit with a small explosive. And, in most cases, the most convenient item available was a grenade.

I mentioned the 109G-6/AS and 109G-14/AS as possibles; but saw the square fairing, which meant an Erla product. But, as has been noted, others know the late 109Gs far better than I do, and so I let them make the call, and am happy they did.

Re: New pic of a Bf 109 G-6 (in Ainring?), 1945
 

Not to forget German military personnel used its grenades sometimes as so-called "geballte Ladung", i.e. the German grenades tied together at their typical wooden handles and ignited at the same time. Such a bundled charge - not possible with egg handgrenades - would blow some nice holes in any aircraft...
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Regards

Roland

Re: New pic of a Bf 109 G-6 (in Ainring?), 1945
 

Yes Roland,

I imagine the "german military personnel" running behind at each crashed plane just to blow it up!!! And that during Bodenplatte, in an area fullcrowded of "allies military personnel".
Can be true for the first one (posted by Marc - the plane's still on his legs) when retreating. For the second one, (the G-10 posted by Unikum) better to think that a GI did it...

Sometimes.... Well, forget it!
Regards,
Franck.

Re: New pic of a Bf 109 G-6 (in Ainring?), 1945
 

Hello Roland, Ouidjat and George,

Talking about grenade or grenade bundle damage, the second Bf 109 G picture I've posted which right cockpit area was blown up is another graphic example. Those localized type of damage are not that common btw; either planes are left intact or they are reduced to a total wreck - maybe a more efficient bundle charge in combination with a remaining quantity of B4 or C3 fuel in the tank...

Cheers
Marc