Hitler skull revealed as female
 

I wonder what other surprises are still in store?


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8281839.stm


Could the Russians have been pulling our leg? Oh wait. Never mind.




Ed

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So the words to the popular song were right after all ????

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Gosh Ed, first you changed my mind on Plutonium and now on Hitler's fate. I tip my hat to you sir. It was feasible for Hitler to escape Berlin had he wished to do so... Von Below escaped the Fuhrer bunker with Hitler's last will and testament. Several of those with him made it to Lake Havel where Bv138 were evacuating the wounded to Denmark until 1 May 1945.

Food for thought here...

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It only covers the skull, I thought that Hitler's jawbone was already identified as the real deal.

Ruy

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According to this article, the jaw has never been seen in public:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6949371.ece


It is easy to assume that the Russians are either lying or might have the real deal. However, the analysis of the skull provides evidence that the Russians have not told the truth.

A published photo from 1945 shows an American Counter-Intelligence Corps officer kneeling next to a couch in the Bunker that has blood stains near the top. It was being carefully examined for evidence that Hitler had indeed shot himself. Good taste prevents me from describing the possible damage to the head depending on how the bullet entered and exited. This would, however, tell forensic examiners a great deal. If a report of this investigation exists, I have not seen it.



Ed

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It's an interesting point ... lthough the skull dug up in Berlin which DNA testing proved was Bormann's had red volcanic soil encrusted in it. Also there were teeth missing from Bormann's skull which were present shortly before Berlin's fall according to the dentist where the sockets Avioli had grown over with bone. Something which could not have happened if he died the end of April 1945.

Gestapo Muller was exhuhmed from a grave claime and marked as his but it proved to have a skeleton made from parts of six different people.

Olt z.S. Clemens Zuborg of the naval reserve and then adjutant in the staff of the alarm-batallion reported two Ju-352 landed at Ost-West-Achse near the Reichskanzlei, which they had to defend on 26 April.

KG.zbV2, Lufttransport Gruppe 4 (“Großraumtransportstaffel”) Ju-352s flying from Tutow air-field maintained a shuttle flying in naval reservists until 29 April to the east West Axis. They were joined by two Ju-52, two FW200 and one Ju-290 of F.d.F. These aircraft included Fw-200 „Condor“ (CE + IC) piloted by Hptm Joachim Hubner, a Ju-290 (9V + BK), piloted by Lt Wagner and Ju-352 (KT + VJ)

Not proof that Hitler escaped but the skull perhaps reopens the possibility.

I understood that the skull fragment was the last remaining piece.IF the jaw was found and then destroyed, why would the Russians keep a skull fragment but not the Jaw?

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Hello Propellerhead -

Is there a source for your account?

There was a document found in the files of Heinrich Mueller. It is dated 20. April 1945. It lays out a special trip Hitler would be taking on 26.5.1945 at 20.00 hours to Barcelona. A list is given showing the principals in Hitler's party, including Reichsleiter Bormann. One copy of the document was sent to Oberst Baumbach of I./K.G. 200.

Source, page 166 of KG 200 by Geoffrey Thomas and Barry Ketley

A book was published in 1947 by Secretary of State, James Byrnes. The title is Frankly Speaking. He recounts a conversation he had with Stalin at the Big Four meeting at Potsdam. After asking Stalin about his thoughts about the death of Hitler, Stalin replied: "He is not dead. He escaped either to Spain or Argentina."

I'm certain in the heady days after Victory in Europe, burying the dead, and just wanting to forget the whole business, this item was either missed, ignored or downplayed.



Ed

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Correction on the date for Barcelona. It should read 26.4.1945.





Ed

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When I saw "Hitler's Skull" and Ed West in the same post, I thought he'd found it for sale on Ebay!

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Good one Nick.



Ed :)

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Sorry to be so long replying Ed. I did not hit the notifications button.

I came across it in a German website which refers to four German authors, therefore a compilation from various sources.

Translated by Google:
http://translate.google.co.nz/transl...%26channel%3Ds

Website in German:

http://forum.panzer-archiv.de/viewtopic.php?t=8883

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Thank you very much. As time passes, more pieces of the last few months of the war are coming into focus.



Ed

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it adds credence to the report of a german light a/c landing in the centre of berlin during the last throws of the war.

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i dont know what happened to hitler but i dont believe he shot himself.

i suspect he ended up in south america but it could realy have been anywhere in the world. there were enough axis nations and sympathisers to get him away. i just dont believe he had the balls to shoot himself!

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Any number of light aircraft landed in Berlin in the last days, it's well documented. What's also well documented is that the East-West Axis landing strip in the Tiergarten was udner Russian artillery fire and the approach was blanketed with Flak, making further landings and take-offs suicidal.

There's any number of good books on this.

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Uuuuhhh...maybe he´s still alive in "Neu Schwabenland" in arctica because he using a "anti aging-miracle drug" ?
I think such storys are all evil conspiracy. Hitler was a coward who was afraid to come into the hands of his greatest enemy in his sick brain, the Bolsheviks. Better suicide rather than this was his idea. Well done.

Read this book : Das Ende an der Elbe, by Jürgen Thorwald

Only to understand the Hitler has never left Berlin alive...

At the 30th april 45, ~4 o´clock in the morning Hitler gave his driver Kempka the last command - to get 200 liters of petrol in jerry cans to bring them into the garden of the Reichskanzlei.
There was a last lunch. He gathered again Burgdorf, Krebs, Hewel, Goebbels, Bormann, Naumann, Voss, the secretaries and his cook. He said goodbye to them and then he went back into his private rooms.
It was at half past four in the afternoon, there was to hear a single shot.
As the members of Hitler entered his private rooms they found him dead, Eva Braun was lying next to him, she had taken poison.
Both were brought - by Bormann, Kempka and some SS officers, in the garden, Hitler was wrapped in a blanket.
They put the bodies next to each other, poured gasoline over it and lit it.

That was Hitler´s glorius end. Not in south america, simply in the garden of Reichskanzlei what was bombed already by the russians.

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The story of Hitler's alleged suicide is well known. If a body was found, it was Hitler's double. Stalin told the American Secretary of State that Hitler was not dead but either in Spain or Argentina. An SS document found in the files of Heinrich Mueller shows a passenger list for a secret flight to Barcelona. Among the passengers was Hitler, Eva Braun and Reichsleiter Bormann. An FBI document from 1947 describes a sighting of Hitler and Eva Braun in South America.

Regarding the Antarctic, the Americans were in a great hurry to get there. The Operation Highjump report praises the various commands for getting everything ready by the deadline of 2 December 1946. Two groups of ships were sent, one from the east coast which passed through the Panama Canal, and one from the west coast. Each individual group would split in two again just before reaching Antarctica. Over 4700 officers and men participated in what was labeled as a training, geographic and otherwise mundane trip. The Highjump report mentions conditions at the South Pole were similar to the interior of Greenland. The Americans could have saved some time by simply going there or a similar northern point.


Ed

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Hi Ed,

sure that the americans must hurry to reach the antartic. Because already in january 1939 the germans launched a major expedition to the antarctica, with a ship called Schwabenland. In this expedition the arctic should be mapped and photographed. There were masses of swastika-flags dropped around to register the claims of the Third Reich.

Thus the myth was born that the nazis would build a secret base in the antarctica to build and test there secret and nuclear weapons.
All this is at least as ridiculous as the story of Hitler´s and E.Braun´s double in south america. It´s absolutely incomprehensible to me that people believe such stories.

To believe this you also must believe the story from the heavy blow that american troops got in the antarctic during a secret mission against Nazi-UFO's.

I think such stories belong to the realm of fables and myths -
like this :

http://greyfalcon.us/restored/Neu%20Schwabenland.htm

Regards from germany,

JohnnyB

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Hi Johnny,

As a professional researcher, I've learned how to locate documents and accounts. Did you know the FBI operated in South America during the war? They had a Special Intelligence Service for that. Did you know Antarctica has volcanoes? Unfrozen lakes? Look up the people in Iceland who enjoy heated baths that are kept warm due to underground heating.


Regards,
Ed

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Hi Ed,

no doubts in you, Ed - these are well known facts. But it´s a fact too, that today it is absolutely no problem to find out the complete gentic fingerprint of a human just with a single hair, a tooth. See the picture below in the link.
The comment what is written on the page :

"Hitler's Teeth: The photo shows teeth from the archives of the former KGB in Moscow, where it is alleged that the teeth of Hitler. Soviet officers in 1945 exhumed the remains of a burned body of the teeth, and attempted to determine the identity of Hitler."


http://einestages.spiegel.de/hund-im...borderless.jpg

Page google-translated :
http://translate.google.de/translate...6c%3D1&act=url

I asking myself - why so much discussion if it is possible to create a genetic evidence to find out whether it is Hitler or not with this remains ? Sometimes I think that people really want keep him always alive, his "millenial kingdom".

About antartica - have you ever heared the story about Admiral Richard E. Byrd an what he talked 1947 about a "Hollow earth" or "The inner earth" and this things ? I am really amazed at people who believe such fairy tales..

Regards,

JohnnyB

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Hi Johnny,


The Russians lied. A scientific test was performed on the "Hitler" skull fragment they have:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...skull-fragment

The Russians also claim to have part of Hitler's jaw bone. It has never been placed on public display.


Regards,
Ed

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Who knows what the russians have excavated there, maybe just the remains of a soldier. Maybe someone brought Hitlers remains to a other place. Nobody knows it. This will be a secret for ever.

But here is another very interesting link. Sorry, translated with google. Maybe this english isn´t the best.

http://translate.google.de/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.f az.net%2Fs%2FRub117C535CDF414415BB243B181B8B60AE%2 FDoc~E77286F24DE2F49BFA956A5EAEB5031BB~ATpl~Ecommo n~Scontent.html&act=url

Regards,

JohnnyB

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Hi Johnny,


You are now engaging in something called obfuscation. It is not a secret. And other secrets have been revealed. History as written is being revised and will continue to be revised. The British documents from the war sealed for 75 and 100 years. What do they have? A pair of Hitler's socks stolen during a raid? To this day, surviving veterans of the American Office of Strategic Services have still not spoken about what they did during the war. The British T-Force record is still partly classified. And the record of the American Counter-Intelligence Corps still remains unpublished.

I have successfully engaged in research on a variety of topics. Dismissal requires no particular effort.


Regards,
Ed

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Hi Ed, Not sure if you are still kicking around? I am very much of the view that the story Hitler escaped to South America was a myth created by Ladislas Farago laying a false trail. The quest for Hitler's fate is the ultimate Alice in Wonderland and for Hitler to have escaped would have required at least one of the victorious Allies to look the other way.

I am sorry to put it so bluntly but the single nation which benefited most from the acquisition of German patents, scientist & engineers was the United States and given that Hitler issued orders for the execution of rocket engineers & Nazi nuclear scientists to prevent them falling into Soviet hands, perhaps the converse applies that Hitler's freedom was bought & paid for with the safe handover of many brilliant minds?

The most compelling claim that I have come across is that Hitler was flown first to Prague from Berlin on the night of 26/27 April and from there to Barcelona. General Franco's personal driver Stefan Aceituna, claims Hitler arrived at Madrid off a multi-engine German plane from Barcelona on 30 April 1945 and lived in the President's Palace with a German entourage under the alias Adi Lupi until his death in the small hours of 2 November 1947 from a massive coronary.

http://coolinterestingstuff.com/did-...scape-to-spain

I am of the view from other information too that his escape relied upon the nodding complicity of Western Allies. Perhaps also that his escape had been the subject of secret negotiations with the United States via Lisbon since August 1944.

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Come on people. There are numerous eyewitness accounts of Hitler's death, and a forensic dentist did examine the jaw in Moscow and compare it to existing x-rays of Hitler's dental work. They were a perfect match. This thread is starting to read like an episode of that garbage TV show 'Hunting Hitler'.

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Hi,

i think that Hitler died in that day, i have my own theory about the possible witnesses saw was probably a double ¿¿with the last instructions of Hitler??
there are a lot of writers make up histories and making money about this theme over decades based in the info that many escape via Spain to South America...probably they use the Ferrol and Vigo habours to escape

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratlin...r_II_aftermath)




i´m more interested in these real themes:

I have read that Vigo was a focus of spies of many countries during the 2ww
and some submarines stop to refueling and replenish food supplies:

http://guerra-abierta.blogspot.com.e...n-en-vigo.html

http://www.u-historia.com/uhistoria/...ia/galicia.htm

The wolfram mines:

http://www.finisterrae.org/info.php?...ioma=en&sec=20

Torres de Arneiro (radio navigation system) 43°14′53″N 07°28′53″O

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torres_de_Arneiro
http://www.lasegundaguerra.com/viewtopic.php?t=12593

regards