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SALERNO1943 13th November 2009 18:20

Crash site of a english airplane
 
This morning we find a crash site of a english aircraft. From bullets we know that airpalne crashed in 1942 or after. Some idea about type of airplane?
The mountain:
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/1156/1311091224.jpg
The place
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/3508/1311090916.jpg
Some panoramic photos
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/1318/1311090822.jpg
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/2461/1311090915.jpg
Part with numbers
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/9165/immagine3991.jpg
Label engine type
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/5...magine3992.jpg

Delmenhorst 13th November 2009 19:39

Re: Crash site of a english airplane
 
It would be nice to know what part of the world

SALERNO1943 13th November 2009 19:58

Re: Crash site of a english airplane
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Delmenhorst (Post 95815)
It would be nice to know what part of the world

Oop! Sorry, the place is near our town: Salerno, south of Italy.

Alan Clark 14th November 2009 00:27

Re: Crash site of a english airplane
 
Vickers Wellington, Mk.III or later.

SALERNO1943 19th November 2009 10:00

Re: Crash site of a english airplane
 
Sorry for delay but we have a lot of fragments to clean.
Printing:
MAGAZINE FILM
REF. N° 14A/730
A M
SERIAL N° AA20806

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/9518/targhetta.jpg

stefaan 19th November 2009 12:43

Re: Crash site of a english airplane
 
205 BG ???
Stefaan Bouwer

Alan Clark 19th November 2009 20:18

Re: Crash site of a english airplane
 
I take it you meant No.205 Group.

Probably yes, they were the Group with Wellington squadrons in the Mediterranean.

Alex Smart 20th November 2009 07:36

Re: Crash site of a english airplane
 
Hello,

May not be the one but Wellington "C" of 150 Squadron was lost on the 31st August 1943 while on a raid Torre Annunziata.
Four crew W/O. P. Birch; Sgt R.D.Binks; Sgt. P.G. Furlong and Sgt. J. Hallsworth. All killed. Did a fifth crewmember survive ?

a/c serial number might be HE951
AB HA100-HZ999 has date as 30th Aug 43.

However, other losses in Aug 43 given as 2 a/c on 6th; 1 a/c on 26th. These may be matched up as HF466 and HF535 given as the 7th and HF693 given as the 27th.

These serial numbers are the closest I could find.

Alex

SALERNO1943 20th November 2009 17:22

Re: Crash site of a english airplane
 
Thanks for all informations all you sent. Someone of aircraft you think can be have a photocamera on board? I thins this will help. Report of crash of these aircraft have serial numbers of engines so we can compare with that plate we find?
Thanks again.

SALERNO1943 25th November 2009 21:05

Re: Crash site of a english airplane
 
Thanks for all answer and sorry for delay. I had no time to clean all fragments but I want post some I think can be interesting to identify Wellington we find.

A M 5X/941
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/5...ine4056.th.jpg

Details with numbers from 1 to 10
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/1...ine4057.th.jpg

3 unknown objects. Central appears to be a bbullet of rocket.
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/8...ine4055.th.jpg
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/4...ine4054.th.jpg

BOMB DOORS OPEN SHUT A1205
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/5...ine4053.th.jpg

MINUS ..... PLUS
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/8...ine4065.th.jpg

29085/47
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/5...ine4064.th.jpg

5.AMPS
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/3...ine4063.th.jpg

9/567
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/6...ine4061.th.jpg

ENGINE TYPE. HERCULES
ENGINE No. SS 14146
SERIES No. XVI
A.M. No. 381126 M
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/6...ine4060.th.jpg

TOP
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/8...ine4059.th.jpg

28 46 63 AA341
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/5...ine4058.th.jpg

MAGAZINE FILM
REF. No. 14A/730
A. M.
SERIAL No. AA20806
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/9...ine4066.th.jpg

DIRECTION INDICATOR
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/6...ine4061.th.jpg

Alan Clark 26th November 2009 17:53

Re: Crash site of a english airplane
 
The middle of the 3 unknown items is the primer from a flare. Normally you will only ever find the primer cap because the rest burns away.

Linzee 27th November 2009 20:40

Re: Crash site of a english airplane
 
A possible loss to check out. Try this one. Wellington JA363 from 221 Squadron lost 30th December 1942. Crew all buried Salerno War Cemetery.

From RAF Commands archived thread in 2002
http://www.rafcommands.com/cgi-bin/d...rum=DCForumID6
Wellington JA363 was posted missing from a Convoy Escort from Luqa. Crew:
F/Sgt R B O'Neill RAAF
Sgt R Stripe
F/Sgt C Wilson RAAF
Sgt H W Hewitt
Sgt J E Fake
Sgt L C Cornwell

[end]


Check on Commonwealth War Graves Commission for more info no individual crew.



Also with two Australians onboard you can order digitised copies of records from the National Archives of Australia. Use the last name and service number for the Australians in the search box. Their records may contain reports by the Missing Research Enquiry Service with more information about what happened.



The loss card for this aircraft may be held at RAF Hendon Museum/London and may have serial numbers for the engines.

Hope that helps.
Regards
Linzee

SALERNO1943 27th November 2009 21:01

Re: Crash site of a english airplane
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Linzee (Post 96635)
A possible loss to check out. Try this one. Wellington JA363 from 221 Squadron lost 30th December 1942. Crew all buried Salerno War Cemetery.

From RAF Commands archived thread in 2002
http://www.rafcommands.com/cgi-bin/d...rum=DCForumID6
Wellington JA363 was posted missing from a Convoy Escort from Luqa. Crew:
F/Sgt R B O'Neill RAAF
Sgt R Stripe
F/Sgt C Wilson RAAF
Sgt H W Hewitt
Sgt J E Fake
Sgt L C Cornwell
[end]


Check on Commonwealth War Graves Commission for more info no individual crew.



Also with two Australians onboard you can order digitised copies of records from the National Archives of Australia. Use the last name and service number for the Australians in the search box. Their records may contain reports by the Missing Research Enquiry Service with more information about what happened.



The loss card for this aircraft may be held at RAF Hendon Museum/London and may have serial numbers for the engines.

Hope that helps.
Regards
Linzee


Many thanks!!!

I find record about Wilson in Salerno War Cemetery here: http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_...sualty=2604240

Do you can contact for me National Archives of Australia? I'm not fluent with english language and I think to do errors to email them.

About Hendon Museum is possible to contact in some way?

Thanks again

SALERNO1943 7th December 2009 20:32

Re: Crash site of a english airplane
 
Here are other fragments. Some ideas?
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/5818/immagine4101.jpg
A M 5D/706
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/8827/immagine4098.jpg
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/2...magine4097.jpg
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/3...magine4096.jpg
PUSH TO TURN
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/169/immagine4095.jpg
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/1422/immagine4094.jpg
DRGN° L 490901-A BIRM....
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/1...magine4099.jpg
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/1...magine4100.jpg
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/8813/immagine4109.jpg
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/7...magine4102.jpg
10A/12428
http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/1365/immagine4103.jpg
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/252/immagine4108.jpg
PRESSURE HEAD HEATER
R B
R B
PRESSURE HEAD HEATER SWITCH
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/1...magine4107.jpg
TYPE P4A N°3633IT
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/9...magine4106.jpg
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/6...magine4105.jpg
AM 6D/480 MK1
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/3616/immagine4104.jpg
44036 39
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/6716/immagine4114.jpg
NEWEY PAT. 20/430-22
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/8417/immagine4110.jpg
K4 GV 43
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/5...magine4111.jpg
K5 BVIIZ 43
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/796/immagine4112.jpg
K2 W1 1943
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/5...magine4113.jpg

Alan Clark 8th December 2009 03:30

Re: Crash site of a english airplane
 
A few of the items are familiar.

Image 3 - Type B Electro-magnetic Fuzing Units, part of the bomb release (http://www.iphpbb.com/board/ftopic-8...x79380-62.html)
Image 4 (lower item) - Cap off a throttle lever
Image 14 & 15 - Ring from a Type P4A Compass
Image 20 - 1943 issued ammunition, made by I.C.I. at Kidderminster, type is incendiary.
Image 21 - Ammunition made by I.C.I. at Standish, Wigan, type Armour Piercing.

flughund 21st April 2013 23:45

Re: Crash site of a english airplane
 
Was the identity of this aircraft clearly established?

Digitzed record for Sgt Colin Wilson at NAA, page 18 mentions one engine serial number. In that file there is also described the difficulties with pinpointing the location Montalto, 2-3 mi SE of Avellino and 15 mi N of Salerno. Google Maps does know a place called Montella, 20 km ESE of Avellino.

flughund 28th April 2013 17:56

Re: Crash site of a english airplane
 
For Posterity's sake: The aircraft was Wellington LN385. See records for LN385 at: aircrewremembered.com and lostaircraft.com.


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