Oberleutnant Dieter Meister
 

Hello all

Oberleutnant Dieter Meister (8 victories, DK-G), Staffelkapitän of 10./JG 2, was killed in aerial combat on 21 November 1944. Would anyone have the loss list information regarding the circumstances of his death? Many thanks.

Horrido!

Leo

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downed by P-38 near Himbach, 12 km nne Hanau/Main.

khorat

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FW 190 A-8 Wk Nr 738235 near Rhein-Main due to P-38

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68918/6-f 14h45 St.Kap-140219-

Rémi

Oberleutnant Dieter Meister
 

Hi guys

Many thanks for your information regarding this successful ace with V./KG 40. Much appreciated. Remi, I am going to abuse of you by asking if by any chance would you have anything on when and where he was born? Thanks to all who answered.

Horrido!

Leo

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leo - I am curious. Was he attacking 9th AF mediums or down low when he engaged a P-38?

That was a day for big 8th AF battles from Munster to Hanover/Misburg to Kassel to Leipzig - all across northern Germany - but all Mustangs except for 78FG credits in p-47s from Hanover to Gutersloh.

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abuse

??

So pls at least not in public


14.febr.1919 Hamburg

Rémi

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Bonjour Remi,
The Volksbund give the 24 february 1919. Is it an error?
Merci
Fredo

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Right an error... of me , re-reading carrefuly the half burn/drown NVM , we could maybe see that it lets read better a 24 than a 14..

My confused apologizes

Remi

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no problem Rémi !
Merci Beaucoup. Do you know where we can find a photo (books?) of Dieter Meister? I have only see one in the website www.luftwaffe.cz.
Fredo

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This is not Dieter Meister-there are a number of him in my book 'Bloody Biscay'

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Ok ! Thanks Chris !
Have a nice day.
Fredo

Oberleutnant Dieter Meister
 

Hi guys

Many thanks to Remi and Fredo for the information concerning his birth date and location and Chris for the alert concerning the photograph. Bill, honestly I have no information concerning the circumstances of his loss so unfortunately I can not add any information on what he up to when he fought his last battle. Here is the Amazon link to Gross's book concerning V./KG 40 if any one is interested:

http://www.amazon.com/Bloody-Biscay-.../dp/0947554874

Horrido!

Leo

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For Gross read Goss!!

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For my opinion Olt. Dieter Meister was the Staffelkapitän of 9./J.G. 2 not of 10./J.G. 2.

Kaczmarek

Oberleutnant Dieter Meister
 

Hi guys

Oops! Sorry Chris, for some strange reason I have always thought of your surname as Gross. Interestingly, I did not find Meister listed in the JG 2 WASt list at www.ww2.dk/misc/wastjg2.pdf

Horrido!

Leo

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Been Goss for the last 48 years! However, I have been called a lot worse!

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Very Interesting Kaczmareck ! I have information that Meister was Staka. of 10/JG2 since the 20/10/44. For the 9./JG2, i have read that Oblt.Bellstedt, the staka. killed the 21/10/44 was replaced by Hans-Peter Hansen...where is the mistake ?
Fredo

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I have Bellstedt with 9 and Meister with 10

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Hi Chris,
I bought your book "Bloody Biscay" and, surprise, there is the same photo in your book than on the site www.Luftwaffe.cz. So, this is Dieter Meister on the website. You are a good commercial Chris :-)
Fredo

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I habe a better Foto from his Time as Staffelkapitän 9./JG 2

21.11.44 : Oblt. Dieter Meister * 24.02.19 Hamburg
Fw 190 A-8 738 233 Rhein-Main-Gebiet (Himbach)
Absturz nach Luftkampf mit P-38
Grabl.: FfM Hauptfriedhof

Greetings Peglar

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Bonsoir Peglar,
Really? Do you think it's possible to have a copy...
Thanks,
Fredo

Oberleutnant Dieter Meister
 

Hi Peglar

I too would be interested in this photograph as well if it would not be too much of a bother for you. I should add that Goss has stated that he was killed while flying Fw 190 A-8 (W.Nr. 738 325). Many thanks.

Horrido!

Leo

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Fredo have you got the Foto of Meister ? Leo, send me your e-mail. Greetings Peglar

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Thanks so much Peglar !
Fredo

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This is a very old thread, but I do have two questions about it:

1- Do we happen to know the codes of Fw 190 A-8 of werknummer 738 233?

2- Which P-38 unit or pilot (possibly 9th AF) claimed him?

I have been looking at possible matches, but the 21-11-44 ETO claims only do register claims submitted by: 77th FS, 82nd FS, 335, 336, 364, 369, 370, 374, 383, 384, 385, 389, 487 and 505th Fighter Squadrons.

As far as I have researched, all were either flying P-51Mustangs or P-47 Thunderbolts...

ANY idea which unit was still flying P-38 outfits by 21 November 1944????

Adriano Baumgartner

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This is what DeZeng and Stankey say about him:

MEISTER, Dieter. (DOB: 24.02.19 in Hamburg). (W.B.K. Hamburg V). (DKG). 08.42 8./NJG 4.09.42 with 13./KG 40. 16.10.42 Lt., 13./KG 40 unhurt - Ju 88 C-6 damaged by Wellington of 304 Sqdn. 09.02.43 Lt., with 15./KG 40. 10.03.43 Lt., 13./KG 40. 25.06.43 Lt., awarded the Ehrenpokal. 07.43 trf back to 13./KG 40. 07.07.43 Oblt., 13./KG 40. 01.08.43 promo to Oblt.(Kr.O./Fl.). 18.09.43 Lt., 13./KG 40. 17.10.43 Lt. in 13./KG 40, awarded the DKG. 01.44 Oblt.appt Staka 3./ZG 1 (to 05.08.44?). 31.03.44 Oblt., 3./ZG 1. 08.44 ? appt Staka 10./JG 2. 21.11.44
Hptm. and Staka(?) 11./NJG 2, KIA - Fw 190 shot down by P-38s in the area of Frankfurt am Main. Credited with 10 victories in over 200 missions. [is two different people?]

Oberleutnant Dieter Meister
 

Hello Adriano

Unfortunately, I doubt that we will ever know the tactical code of the fighter he was flying on his final mission. It is very interesting that you have not been able to uncover any claims by P-38 twin-engined fighter that day... perhaps the German records are in error? It would be intriguing to discover which unit JG 2 was engaged with on that occasion.

Horrido!

Leo

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Dear Tereza (thank you, but I already knew the information from De Zeng and other's excellent site)

LEO, yes...do need to check my 2nd TAF books (not at hand now) to see if there were some Intruding Mossies around Frankfurt that day...

This is what I matched so far...we do have two interesting SINGLE claims by airmen from 20th FG and 361st FG....maybe FRANK OLINYK can help us onto the unknown claims???

2nd/Lt. Bernard C. Halpin (77th FS, 20th FG ) – 1 Victory ?? at ?? at ???
Major R. E. Conner (82nd FS, 78th FG) – 2 Bf 109 at 12:20hs – Hannover Area
Captain R. A. Hewitt (82nd FS, 78th FG) – 1 Bf 109 at 12:20 – Hannover Area
Captain R. B. Holmes (82nd FS, 78th FG) – 1 Bf 109 at 12:20hs – Hannover Area
2nd/Lt A. A. Rosenblun (82nd FS, 78th FG) – 1 Bf 109 at 12:20hs – Hannover Area
_Lt-Col. John C. Meyer (487th FS, 352nd FG) – 3 Fw 190 from 12:30-12:50 – S/W Merseburg
Lt. Karl M. Waldron Jr. (487th FS, 352nd FG ) – 3 Fw 190 from 12:30-12:50 – S/W Merseburg
Capt. William T. Wishner (487th FS, 352nd FG) – 6 Fw 190 + 1 probable Fw 190 - from 12:30-12:50 – S/W Merseburg
1st/Lt Nelson R Jesup (487th FS, 352nd FG) – 2 victories ??
Major Earl L. Abbot (328th FS, 352nd FG) – 0,5 victory ?
Captain William E. Hendrian (328th FS, 352nd FG) – 0,5 victory ?
1st/Lt Leonard Intravartola (328th FS, 352nd FG) – 1 victory ?
1st/Lt Frank L. Kebelman Jr. (328th FS, 352nd FG) – 2 victories ?
1st/Lt James L. Lambright (328th FS, 352nd FG) 0 -0,5 victory ?
1st/Lt Dewayne J. Maxwell (328th FS, 352nd FG) – 1 victory ?
Major George E. Preddy (328th FS, 352nd FG) – 1 victory ?
1st/L John E. Kolbe (335th FS, 4th FG) – 1 victory ?
Capt Fred W. Glover (336th FS, 4th FG) – 3 victories ?
2nd/Lt Douglas H. Groshong (336th FS, 4th FG) – 2 victories ?
1st/Lt. Vernor L. Caid (370th FS, 359th FG) – 2 Fw 190 + 1 Fw 190 Dam – 12:20/12:30 – S/W Merseburg
Capt. Ralph L Cox (370th FS, 359th FG) – 3 Fw 190 – 12:00/12:30 – 30 miles S/W Merseburg
1/Lt. Claude J. Crenshaw (369th FS, 359th FG) – 5 Fw 190 – 11:35hs/12:05hs – Near Merseburg
2nd/Lt Harold Tennenbaum (369th FS, 359th FG) - 1 victory ?
Capt. William R. Hodges (370th FS, 359th FG ) - 3 Fw 190 + 1 Fw 190 Dam – 12:00/12:30hs – 30 miles SE of Kassel
Major Daniel P. McKee (370th FS, 359th FG) – 1 victory ??
1st/Lt. Thomas P. Smith (370th FS, 359th FG) – 2 Fw 190 + 2 Probable Fw 190 – 12/12:30hs – 30 miles SW of Merseburg
1st/Lt Homer P. Staup (370th FS, 359th FG) – 2 victories ??
Capt Lucius G. Lacroix (374th FS, 361st FG) – 1 victory ?? (possibly flying P-51 D, serial 44-15275 “Li’l Bunyep”, code B7-V (http://361fg.com/Main/Enlarge/374fs/B7V.htm)
Colonel Roy W. Osborn (364th FG) – 1 Fw 190 – 12:15hs – S of Merseburg
1st/Lt. Mark E. Coates (383rd FS, 364th FG) – 2 Fw 190 + 1 Fw 190 DAM – 12:35hs – S of Nordhausen
1st/Lt Robert H. Farley (383rd FS, 364th FG) - 2 Fw 190 – 11:45/12hs – Meiningen
2nd/Lt. Elmer H. Horman (383rd FS, 364th FG) – 1 victory?
2nd/Lt John C. Hunter (383rd FS, 364th FG) – 2 victories ?
1st/Lt. Ernest H. Duderstadt (384th FS, 364th FG ) – 1 Fw 190 shared with 1st/Lt. Everett W. Farnsworth – 12:30hs – Mulhausen
1st/Lt. John L Grimshaw (384th FS, 364th FG) – 1 Fw 190 + 1 Bf 109 DAM – 12:05hs - 20 miles SW of Merseburg –
LT-Col John H. Lowell (384th FS, 364th FG) – 1 victory?
1st/Lt Lawarence Visconti (384th FS, 364th FG) – 1 victory ?
2nd/Lt. Earl H. Miller (384th FS, 364th FG) – 1 Fw 190 – 12:15hs – 30 miles NE of Nordhausen
1st/Lt Everett N Farrell (385th FS, 364th FG) – 1 victory ??
1st/Lt Robert P. Edwards (385th FSk 364th FG) – 1 Fw 190 (pilot bailed out) – 12:30 – Eisleben (Combat started near Halle)
1st/Lt. Hayden W. Head (385th FS, 364th FG) – 1 Fw 190 shared with 1st/Lt. Norman L. Box – 12:30hs – W of Merseburg
Capt Thomas P. Farrell (385th FS, 364th FG) – 1 Fw 190 shared with 1st/Lt. Sim L. Lett Jr. – 12:30hs – Erfurt Area
2nd/Lt Robert M. McKibben (385th FS, 364th FG) – 1 victory ?
F/O Morris M. Driesler (389th FS, 366th FG) – 1 victory
2nd/Lt James E Head (389th FS, 366th FG) – 1 victory
1st/Lt Joseph W Mahoney (389th FS, 366th FG) – 2 victories
1st/Lt John H. O’Reilly (389th FS, 366th FG) – 1 victory
1st/Lt Edward W. Purdy (389th FS, 366th FG) – 1 victory
1st/Lt Carl H. Bundgaard (505th FS, 339th FG) 1 victory ?
1st/Lt Chester Malarz (505th FS, 339th FG ) – 0,5 victory shared with 1st/Lt George T. Rich


1/JG 1 – 1 Fw 190
2./JG 1 – 7 Fw 190 (1 bail out + 1 belly landing)
3./JG 1 – 6 Fw 190 (1 bail out)
4./JG 1 – 8 Fw 190 (2 bail outs + 1 belly landing)
7./JG 1 – 1 Fw 190 (KIA emergency landing)
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15./JG 54 – 1 Fw 190
16./JG 54 – 3 Fw 190 (Spitfires and Mustangs)
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10./JG 4 – 2 Bf 109 K-4
12./JG 4 - 2 Bf 109 K-4
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11./JG 6 – 1 Bf 109 G-14
1./JG 6 – 1 loss Training
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7./JG 27 – 1 Bf 109 G-14 (Neuss)
8./JG 27 – 1 Bf 109 G-14
2./JG 27 – 1 Bf 109 G-14
21/11/44 Lt. Karl Wünsch 2./JG 27 Bf 109 G-14 (461404) Probably combat
21/11/44 Fhr. Josef Klotz 7./JG 27 Bf 109 G-14/AS (460659)
White 3 + – Combat with fighter
Area of Neuss
21/11/44 Fw. Rudolf Schneider 8./JG 27 Bf 109 G-14/AS (783946)
Blue 7 + – Combat with fighter
Area of Cologne – Düsseldorf
http://www.luftwaffe.be/missing-in-action-jg-27/
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2./JG 300 – 1 Bf 109 G-6
1./JG 300 – 1 Bf 109 G-14/AS (attributed to own Flak)
14/JG 300 – 2 losses
13./JG 300 – 2 Bf 109 G-14 (Hannover area)
3./JG 300 – 1 loss
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1./JG 301 – 1 losss
2./JG 301 – 2 Fw 190 + 1 Bf 109 G-14
3./JG 301 – 1 loss
5./JG 301 – 1 loss
7./JG 301 – 1 Fw 190 A-8 (Wehigen area)
1944.11.21 Flieger Ofhr II JG300 Fw 190A
1944.11.21 Wülferode/ Hannover Schirrmacher Karl-Heinz Ofr 14 JG300 Bf 109G14
1944.11.21 Laatzen/ Hannover Friedelt Ottmar Uffz 13 JG300 Bf 109G14
1944.11.21 Gifhorn Michel Günther Ofhr 13 JG300 Bf 109G14/
1944.11.21 Hannover/ Braunschw. v Paris Hendrik Oltn 14 JG300 Bf 109G14
1944.11.21 Hildesheim Horstkötter Hinrich Uffz 2. JG300 Bf 109G10/
1944.11.21 Liebertswolkwitz Schlebach Erwin Ofhr 3. JG300 Bf 109G14AS
1944.11.21 Jebebo/ Hannover Hennersdorf Rudolf Uffz 1. JG300 Bf 109G14AS
https://www.jg300.de/loss1944-1.html

At least some of the Combat Reports found here (http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.o...t-reports.html) are matched regarding the bailing out of some Fw 190 pilots....

Adriano S. Baumgartner

Does anyone do have the "JG 2 Richtofen" books by Eric Monbeek? Were there further losses recorded by JG 2 onto the 21st November 1944, or was Oblt Dieter Meister the single loss???

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Hello Adriano,

according to JFV Vol. 13/II page 413 this Fw 190 of the III./JG 2 was probably shot down by a F-6 of the 10th PRG (9th Air Force).

Regards
Leo

Oberleutnant Dieter Meister
 

Hello Leo

Many thanks for your very useful information! Perhaps some some further research can pinpoint who the victorious pilot may have been but this is an excellent start.

Horrido!

Leo

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Hello Leo


Apparently Dieter Meister was shot down by 1/Lt John Tillett of 12nd recon squadron (10th PRG) who claimed a Fw.190 destroyed at 14.15, 10 miles NW of Frankfurt. The victory was later downgraded to a probable.
Another Fw.190 was claimed damaged (unconfirmed) by 2/Lt William H Enneis of the same squadron in the same hour and place.
Hope this helps.


Marco


Source:
"USAAF Credits for the destruction of enemy aircraft in air to air combat WW2" of Frank Olynyk

Oberleutnant Dieter Meister
 

Hello Marco

Many thanks for posting this very nice information! I always was a bit suspicious that he had been brought down by P-38 twin-engined fighters so this is very nice to have the puzzle rather sorted out now.

Horrido!

Leo

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Hello Leo,

addendum....According to "Patton's Eyes in the Sky" " Tillett and his wingman, Lieutnant Bill Enneis, were on a weather reconnaissance mission north-west of Frankfurt when a flight of six Fw 190s tried to bounce them. Seeing the incoming bandits, Lieutnant Tillett pulled his Mustang into a steep climb to 14.000 ft and then dived to the attack. He chose his target and opened fire at 450 yds, closing to 75 yds. As he broke off his attack Tillett saw several big pieces fall away from the enemy aircraft before it burst into flames. It then rolled over his back, and plummeted to earth in an uncontrolled dive ".
Regards.

Marco