Oblt Kurt Dahlmann III/KG 30
 

Was Dahlmann a member of 9/KG 30 and when Oblt Friedrich Rinck was shot down on 27 Jan 41, did he take command of the Staffel?

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I don't know the answer but it may help that his RK-EL citation mentions that on 27 January 1941 he bombed the "Moulders and Pieters" ironworks in Newark Notts. from low level, hitting the factory itself and its rail sidings.

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Nick: I too have this-he got the Newark factory and Rinck BMARC. It was a popular target for III/KG 30-Dahlmann was after it 23 Nov 40, 27 Jan 41, 30 Jan 41 and 4 Feb 41 but only managed to hit the target on the first & last attacks due to weather

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Here is what we have on this fellow:


DAHLMANN, Kurt.
(DOB: 04.03.18 in Königsberg/Ostpreussen).
1940 pilot in III./KG 30.
19.01.42 awarded the Ehrenpokal.
1942 appt Staka 9./KG 30 (to 6.43).
15.02.43 Oblt., awarded DKG for prior service in III./KG 30.
11.05.43 Oblt. in III./KG 30, ordered to RLM (Gen.d.Kampfflieger – L.In.2) for temporary duty (to 11.06.43).
11.06.43 appt. Staka 1./SKG 10 (or 2./SKG 10?).
01.10.43 Oblt., appt Kdr. I./SKG 10 (to 20.10.44).
01.04.44 promo to Hptm.
01.06.44 promo to Maj.
11.06.44 Hptm., awarded Ritterkreuz, Kdr. I./SKG 10.
20.10.44 appt Kdr. III./KG 51.
31.10.44 appt Kdr. NSGr. 20 (to 08.05.45).
24.01.45 Maj., awarded the Eichenlaub (No. 711), NSGr. 20.
Settled in South Africa after the war.

It appears it was a while before he became Staka 9./KG 30.


HLdZ
DGS

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Hi Chris, im particularly interested in Dahlmanns ops you refer to on 23.11.40 and thru January - Febuary 1941 whilst with III/KG30.

Could you add any further detail to these missions, or substantiate Dahlmanns Staffel at the time?
Any further scraps of info greatly appreciated!

Best regs,
Steve.

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Dahlmann's staffel is assumed to be 9/KG 30 as the witnesses of his attacks came from that Staffel. His citation lists attacks on 31 Aug 40, 13 Oct 40, 23 Nov 40, 27 Jan 41, 30 Jan 41 and 4 Feb 41 before he heads off to the Med. If you want more, you will probably have to wait for my next book to be published later this year

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Thank you Chris, could you give any details of the book or the subject?

Steve.

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The Luftwaffe's Blitz will cover the period Nov 40-May 41 along the lines of my 2 Battle of Britain books. Crecy will be publishing this as well

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Excellent Chris, will look forward to this next title!

Steve.

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For those interested, Dahlmann was with 9/KG 30 and at the end of Jan 41 still Leutnant in rank whilst St Kaps for 7 & 8/KG 30 mid-41 were Oblt Heinz-Hugo Schlockermann & Hptm Gerhard Metzenthin

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Chris,

i have for Staffel 8, St.Kpt. Hptm. Hajo Hermann in April and Mai 1941. Did Oblt. Schlockermann replace him and when exactly?

for Staffel 8, St.Kpt. Hptm. Alfred Neumann (+) 19.04.41 and replaced by Oblt. Helmut Weinrich. When exactly Hptm. Metzenthin took over?

Do you know the St.Kpt. of Staffel 9 during the greek campaign?

I am interested on your new book, please let me know when ready

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Byron: Going off piste here a bit but:

Hptm Erich Bloedorn to 19 May 40, Hptm Heinz Rabe to 26 May 40, Herrmann was 7 Staffel, injured 18 Oct and Podbielski took command until 27 Oct

8 was Hptm Walter Storp to 3 Jun 40, then Oblt Peter Gruner to 16 Jun 40, then Oblt Rudolt Meissner to 26 Aug 40, Hptm Waldemar von Glasow to 12 Oct 40, Oblt Dietrich Marwitz to 27 Oct 40 then (probably) Neumann then probably Metzenthin

9 was Hptm Martin Schumann to 24 May 40, Hptm Kurt Rohloff until 8 Jul, then Podbielski until 28 Jul, Oblt Hans Geissler until 1 Aug 40(?), then Oblt Friedrich Rinck until 27 Jan 41

I was in touch with a crewman from 8/KG 30 from Jun-Nov 41 who said that his St Kap was Metzenthin, Weinreich was one of the pilots in 7/KG 30 (who I have became St Kap 7/KG 30 late 41-42)

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Thank you Chris

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This is quite a gaggle of characters. Here is some of what we have about these guys. I have heavily edited the lengthier write-ups to reduce bulk.


BLOEDORN, Erich. (DOB: 06.07.02 in Mühlhausen/Thüringen). …… c. 02.11.40 Maj., appt Kommodore KG 30 (to 05.43). 01.09.42 promo to Obstlt. 02.09.42 Maj., awarded DKG, Kommodore KG 30 (to 11.04.43). 12.04.43 trf from KG 30 and assigned to the staff of GFM Kesselring/Luftflotte 2 (to 09.44?). ……

GEISSLER, Hans – we have nothing on this guy.

GLASOW, Waldemar von. (DOB: 28.07.09). …. 01.07.40 trf to I./KG 40. 12.10.40 Hptm. and Staka 8./KG 4, MIA after collision with a balloon cable; crashed into the sea 3 km SW of Landguard Point. ….

GRÜNER, Peter. …. 16.06.40 Oblt. in 8./KG 4, KIA crashed during a ferry flight, apparently due to engine failure.

MARWITZ, Dietrich. 31.05.40 Oblt. in 8./KG 4, WIA –shot up by AA fire and fighters. 01.07.41 promo to Hptm.

MEISSNER, Rudolf – we have nothing on this guy.

METZENTHIN, Gerhard. 01.11.39 Oblt., trf from FFS Neuburg/Donau to I./KG 30. 01.11.40 Oblt., appt Staka 2./Erg.KGr. 6 (to 20.03.41). 21.03.41 Oblt., appt Staka 2./Erg.KGr. 4 (to 14.05.41). 01.08.41 promo to Hptm. 11.42 Hptm., in I./KG 60 (to 17.11.42 MIA). 01.06.44 promo to Maj.

NEUMANN – I can’t find anything of a Neumann associated with KG 30.

PODBIELSKI, Friedrich-Franz. 27.10.40 Oblt., MIA Staka 7./KG 4. 01.01.41 promo to Hptm.

RINCK, Friedrich-Karl. 14.10.39 Oblt., trf from 7.(Flieger)/Ln.Versuchs-Rgt. to I./Lehrgruppe 88. 10.05.40 Oblt. in 9./KG 4, POW – in Ju 88 A-1 shot down by Dutch Fokker D XXIs during a dawn attack on Amsterdam-Schiphol and crashed by Hoofdweg, N of Hoofddorp. 01.02.42 promo to Hptm.

SCHLOCKERMANN, Heinz-Hugo (Henno?). (n.d.) Oblt., Staka 7./KG 30. c.05.42 Hptm. (as Henno), appt Kdr. Erprobungsstelle Süd (to 10.44). 01.01.44 Hptm., Staka Erprobungsstelle Cazeaux. 01.05.44 promo to Maj.

RABE, Heinz.– we have nothing about him.

ROHLOFF, K. 1940 Hptm., Staka 9./KG 4 (to 07.07.40 KIA - shot down by 41 Sqdn., crashed at Hornsea, Yorkshire).

SCHUMANN, Martin. 24.04.40 Hptm. and Staka 9./KG 4, POW - shot down by a Fleet Air Arm Skua N of Dombås and SE of Romsdalsfjord and force landed at Holum farm at Dovre/Norway; “liberated” a week or two later. 24.05.40 Maj.?, appt acting Kdr. I./KG 4 (to 02.06.40)? 10.02.41 Hptm., appt Staka Erg.St./KG 30 (to 04.41), then Kdr. IV./KG 30 (to 08.06.42) 26.07.41 Maj., Kdr. III./KG 30. 01.01.42 promo to Maj.

STORP, Walter (August-Franz Walter STORP). (DOB: 02.02.10 in Schnecken/Kreis Elchneiderung in Ost Preussen). …. 01.01.40 appt Staka in KG 30. 01.03.40 appt Staka in KG 4. 14.05.40 appt stellvertretender Kdr. III./KG 4. 03.06.40 Hptm., Staka 8./KG 4, WIA - hit a balloon cable during a night sortie over Le Havre and belly landed at Amsterdam-Schiphol; sent to Wilhelmina Hospital in Amsterdam. 31.08.40 appt Kdr. II./KG 76. 21.10.40 awarded Ritterkreuz. 01.11.40 promo to Maj. …. 01.09.42 appt Kommodore KG 6. 01.02.43 promo to Obstlt. ….

WEINREICH, Helmut. (DOB: 24.09.17 in Lenzen/Ostpreussen). …. 1940 in III./KG 30. 22.01.42 Oblt., awarded DKG, III./KG 30. 1942-43 Oblt., Staka 7./KG 30. 19.02.43 Hptm., in I./KG 30, appt provisional Kdr. I./KG 30 (to 09.43). 21.01.43 Oblt. and Staka in III./KG 30, awarded the Ritterkreuz after completing 320 combat missions. c.10.43 trf from bombers to the Jagdwaffe. ….


We hope that this clarifies matters somewhat.

HLdZ
DGS

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In respect of Dietrich Georg Marwitz, I have photos of him in III/KG 3 ( he was with III/KG 153 from 10 Mar 38) and after a number of courses, ended up with I/KG 4 from 25 Feb 40 but then bounced around alot before being reported missing with 8/KG 4 on 27 Oct 40. Schlockermann (known as Henno) spent much of his time with Erprobungsstelle and his only combat time was with KG 30. Metzenthin was taken POW with KG 60 but lost his life flying in South America in the 50s

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Just as a sidebar on this , having checked the local papers reports for my Ransome Marles raid in 41 I did come across this raid " On Jan 30th ( not 27th ) 1941 two people were killed in an attack by a single plane, which dropped 14 bombs along the River Trent and Muskham Rd. " That area is next to the Nottingham - Skegness railway line and had the W.N Nicholson's Ironworks ( established 1825 ) between that and the Trent cut. A little further up on the other side of the Trent near the East Coast main line is Farrar boiler works ( established 1887 ) But no one local I know even alive during WW2 has ever heard of "Moulders and Pieters" ironworks in Newark Notts. From what I can find Nicholson's carried on producing agricultural equipment but Farrars produced boilers for the navy.

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Have you any more details on Dahlmann's crew for the raid on Newark please ?

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Sorry but no

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Thanks.

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Doug Stankey
I may have some additional information:
Oblt. Geissler,Hans 9./KG 4 KIA 40-08-01 Northsea
Oblt.Meissner,Rudolf KIA 40-08-26 Schiphol (Neth.) Ysselsteyn CX-10-238
Hptm. Metzenthin,Gerhard POW 42-11-17 Bone Harbour (UK)
Hptm. Neumann,Alfred 8./KG 30 KIA 41-04-19 Tobruk (Lib)
Oblt.Podbielski,Friedrich-Franz 7./KG 4 POW 40-10-27 Dugglesby /Malton (UK)
Oblt. Rinck,Friedrich-Karl 9./KG 30 POW 41-01-27 Boston (UK)
Maj. Weinrech,Helmut Stab/JG 301 KIA 43-11-19 Zeppelinheim (D)

Frans A

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Just looking at Kurt Dahlmann wiki entry there is no mention of his demise , is he still alive ? I believe he would be 97 if he is.

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He survived the war & I was in contact some years ago

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Thanks , I see he had a very interesting career after the war.

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Just come back from the Newark Library archives , Newark Advertiser mentioned the raid date as 30th Jan 1941 , ARP & police inspectors report to clerk of the council both state 30th Jan 41. Although there is only a one line report mentioning the 2 deaths. There is a full list of when the air raid sirens were sounded and the length of the warning , no sounding on 27th but was sounded 16.00hrs 30th. Hope that helps to muddy the waters. You obviously have plenty of details for Oblt. Rinck being POW 27th Jan 41 but Lt Dahlmann from local reports doesn't seem to be over Newark that day. The attack doesn't seem to have been that successful either 1 bomb fell on the factory , 1 on the embankment to the goods yard the rest strong out across open countryside to the West of the river Devon with the last one stricking the sand quarry between Newark and South Muskham causing the 2 fatalities. Report say all HE with 2 being of a larger caliber

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Raid dated 30/1/41 - Newark Advertiser report titled : Daylight Raid on North Midlands Town Two Fatal Casualties When Plane Swooped From Cloud. - After 16 months at war , a North Midlands town suffered its first direct casualties through enemy action on Thursday afternoon when a single Nazi raider swooped through low-laying cloud and dropped several high explosive bombs. The exact number is believed to have been 14 , two of them considerably heavier calibre than the others. As a result Anthony Thompson a 16 year old boy was killed. Working close at hand at the time was Mr J N Saxby. Flying shrapnel inflicted on him wounds from which he later died in hospital.


ARP Report : 12 bombs dropped , 10 landing in fields west of River Devon with little damage. 2 bombs caused damage to factories , shops and houses in the vicinity.



As a side bar to this Joseph Norman Saxby bother was killed in 1940. William : Sapper 2002239 11/7/40 aged 20 Royal Engineers Grave 3188. MELBOURNE CEMETERY Son of Harry and Amy Saxby, foster-son of Charles Edward and Hannah Mary Saxby, of Newark Nottinghamshire. CWWGC On 11 July 1940 nine Royal Engineer Sappers training on the railway in Melbourne were killed by a German bomb dropped on their billet in Church Street, Melbourne Derbyshire. at 8am. Eight of them are buried in Melbourne Cemetery. Single He111 of II./KG53 tasked to bomb a target near Burton on Trent that morning the most probable cause. His older brother was also killed later :
SAXBY, Private, Charles E, 4858673. 1st Bn. Leicestershire Regiment. 31st December 1941. Age 22. Son of Charles Edward and Hannah Mary Saxby, of Farndon Ferry, Nottinghamshire.
Died during Battle of Kampar Malaya.

Can anyone help me with further info on the plane and pilot who dropped the bombs in Melboune, I live in Melboune, grandad remembers it like yesterday, I'd love to tell him more about it. He was 12. It was so low.

My grandparents don't recall the death of a 16 yo. The date was 11th July 1940. I would love any more in for on this storey

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Hello, just wondering if you had an address? my grandfather was in the war and came home with a stamp collection book saying he took it from a german pilot. The name in the cover is kurt dalhmann. I wanted to write a letter and see about returning it.