ju88a4-17 KG26 Bardufoss
 

I have a series of photos of ju88a-17 KG26 torpedo bomber at Bardufoss Norway, in June 1945. number 1H+QV? What does the number 866 refer to? Any information please?

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The Werk Nummer (serial number)-there are others here who can probably give you more details on this

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The aircraft in your photo is Ju 88A-17 W.Nr. 550866 that was left behind at Bardufoss in unserviceable condition. Ex. K.G. 26. It was destroyed at Bardufoss by RAF Air Disarmament Group in the summer/autumn of 1945.
The Stammkennzeichen was reported as RV+PP, but I have no further info on this aircraft.

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Hi Alvis, Will send you PM.

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I only know of KG 26 aircraft left behind at Værnes and Gardermoen. What is your source for this was at Bardufoss?

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The Stammkennzeichen fits correctly with others in the 55088x sequence.

Best Regards,

ArtieBob

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I have had this debate before; that no KG26 aircraft were left at Bardufoss.....but i am pleased that Seaplanes has backed me up on this one, thanks! The best thing to do is analyse some of the other photos that show the mountains surrounding Bardufoss, I would guess that this is looking in north-easterly direction, can anyone who knows Bardufoss verify the scenery? (photo enclosed). Incidently, the Germans appear to have left alot of equipment behind at the end of the war; qty4 ju88s, qty2 ju188s, qty1 me410? and qty22 88mm flak artillery including other equipment.

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isnt it an A17 model ????? the torp bomber was A17 not the a4

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Ok, Alvis48. Previously I know only of some wrecks left behind at Bardufoss - including one "Wellenmuster" painted Ju 88 (or Ju 188), but no "complete" examples, before now. I do not know where this has been debated, so can not comment on that. Because of your statement (regarding debate) I looked up photos from Bardufoss (ENDU) via www.Airliners.net and found (in particular) one photo - nr. 0534743 of Norwegian AF F-16AM by Anders Forseth (link is below) that apparently does match the background on second photo (pic ju88-3.jpg). Runway directions at ENDU are close to 100/280 Degrees (Magnetic) and some mountains to the North are very close looking.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Norway---Air/Fokker-F-16AM-Fighting/0534743/L/&sid=0e9244a1853ec45a7c186e1735359b2a

Code on this Ju 88 A-17 - yes, this is a A-17 - as the best little known feature is visible here (on pic ju88-3.jpg) ~ small cutout on landing flap near fuselage - if not, the flap, when deploed - it whould hit the steering fins of the (two) torpedoes (on take off or landing). Other small canges were deletion of Gondola, torpedo steering gear fairing built onto side of right side of cockpit. Also the HF under-fuselage trailing-wire antenna mast is now angled down (not sideways), then some versions of Search-Radar were installed. I then agree this (likely 088/550866) may have been ex- (1H)+QN of II/KG 26. Five sets of landing gears show in background, one of them appears an Ju 188. Are there more photos of this and who took them?

Best regards
ed

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The Ju 88 A-4 LT was also Torpedo-Bomber.

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These photos were taken at Bardufoss by an RAF officer of the Air Disamament Wing in the summer and autumn of 1945, any information is appreciated.

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Nearest is Ju 188 E or F (BMW 801 engines), next Ju 88 A-17 coded +SP (?), then two unindentifiable Ju 88 A´s, then one more Ju 188, finally an Fw 58 code +CA (?) I have no further info on them now - as I said - I thought none but wrecks were left there - Will add four Ju 88 A and two Ju 188 to my list of planes surrendered at this location. Maybe Seaplanes can give some of the remaining W.Nr´s (or codes) to you. Are there more pictures?

But thanks for posting, greatly appreciated!

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Thanks edNorth for the info, I can finally update my records. I have posted one final photo of the fate of "866". the A17s were of particular interest to the RAF, it was intended to hand over as much as possible to the Norwegian Air Force, however the A17s were considered too offensive to pass on, and the order was passed to destroy them as quickly as possible with the least fuss.

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Thanks alvis48. Yes, what a waste. Shurely could have come in handy in the beginning of the cold-war (yet to come) - untill jets arrived in 1950´s. Only transports or light aircraft were passed on to RNoAF. Same happened in Denmark, but RAF ADW destroyed everything there, and then the Danes had to buy old RAF planes for large sums.

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Alvis,

Thanks for sharing all those great Bardufoss pictures! They are really a treat. The destruction of those machines was really brutal...

Cheers
Marc

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The following aircraft were surrendered at Bardufoss:
Ju 88A-17 W.Nr. 550912 BO+YA III./K.G.26
Ju 88A-17 W.Nr. 550963 PO+YV III./K.G.26
Ju 88A-17 W.Nr. 550866 RV+PP O.Qu.Reserve
Ju 88A-17 W.Nr. 2181 CP+QQ O.Qu. Reserve
Ju 88A-4 W.Nr. 3611 DJ+QE O.Qu.Reserve
Ju 88D-1 W.Nr. 430580 KN+SB O.Qu. Reserve
Ju 188F-1 W.Nr. 280208 VR+MB O.Qu.Reserve
Ju 188F-1 W.Nr. 280060 CL+QG O.Qu.Reserve

Ju 52/3mg4e W.Nr. 6527 RM+BA T.Gr.20
Ju 52/3mg8e W.Nr. 7339 BV+ON T.Gr.20
Ju 52/3mg8e W.Nr. 501191 PN+BI T.Gr.20

Fi 156C-3/trop W.Nr. 5232 1./N.A.Gr.32

Fi 156C-3/trop W.Nr. 1150 Verbindungsstaffel Norwegen
Fi 156D-2 W.Nr. 275808 Verbindungsstaffel Norwegen 40% damaged
Si 204D-1 W.Nr. 322110 RA+PB Verbindungsstaffel Norwegen

Fi 156C-3/trop W.Nr. 5540 Koflug. Narvik

He 111H-3 W.Nr. 6930 SH+EN O.Qu.Reserve
Fi 156C-3/trop W.Nr. 4248 O.Qu.Reserve
Fi 156C-2 W.Nr. 4487 O.Qu.Reserve
Fi 156C-3/trop W.Nr. 5573 O.Qu.Reserve
Fw 58B-2 W.Nr. 58046 O.Qu.Reserve
Fw 58C-2 W.Nr. 3112 O.Qu.Reserve
Ju W 34hi W.Nr. 3346 ex. V7+1Q of 1./N.A.Gr.32 unserviceable.

Any comments will be most welcome. All info is given as in the opriginal report of Leitende Ingenieur/Komm.Gen.d.deutsche Lw.in Norwegen.

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2182=822181 probably

Already with I.KG26 in Sept.44

Remi

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Remi,
I agree 2181=822181, also the Stammkennzeichen fits in the W.Nr. sequence. Thank you Seaplanes!
Best Regards,

ArtieBob

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Were the stammkennzeichen numbers changed when these aircraft were put on reserve? In the photos they are 1N+QN for 550866 Ju88, and ??+NH for the Ju188.
Best regards
Chris

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Hello!

Is there any photograph of this W 34 V7+1Q? Even appearing on the background? If my memory is not failing me this a/c appears numerous times in the Finnish Air Observation company logs (Rovaniemi IIRC at least). It is now two-three years I last worked with them.

Cheers,
Kari

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OH YES a great thks to seaplane


Were the stammkennzeichen numbers changed when these aircraft were put on reserve? In the photos they are 1N+QN for 550866 Ju88, and ??+NH for the Ju188.

1H+QN 1H = KG26 N 5.Staffel Unit code could change
RV+PP STKZ don't change affected to the whole life of the plane, not always worn on plane, norm in unit it wears the Unit-code , nd change this code over is life , when returned to reserve theorically it hv to wear its STKZ

Remi

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Seaplanes: Great! Ju 88 822181 CP+QQ is known at "Halle-Leipzig" 16.06.1943 (Hartig) and "Uberfúhrung" (ferry) from Dessau to Stendal 27.07.1943 (Grundke) - and he writes exactly "Ju 88 822181 CP+QQ"

Alvis48: I think possibly the Ju 88 A-4, D-1 and Ju 188 F-1 belonged to Recce units before. For example 1.(F)/124 still had four Ju 188 F-1 on strength 31.12.1944 - then possibly ex- G2+NH (?)

Best regards
ed

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After enlarging photos the FW58 at the end of the line appears to be +EA.

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Ju 88 D-1 430580 was with 1.(F)/22 in 1943, see here:

http://ktsorens.tihlde.org/flyvrak/stormyra.html

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I can only verify the location as Bardufoss and at the same time make a note about the camouflage which is rather peculiar compared to most other wellemuster-machines seen from KG26. It does remind me of one machine seen in pictures from Gardermoen, I must add.

Any notes about the remnants of a He177 seen in a picture from Bardufoss?