"Daventry" broadcasts of USAAF + RAF losses
 

The BBC transmitter at Daventry apparently broadcast daily totals of USAAF and RAF aircraft losses over the continent. German intelligence picked this up & the RLM used "Daventry losses" as a useful quick check on victory claims. Does anyone know the details of what the BBC was doing, and why? Most of these numbers were quite close to actual losses (factoring in NYRs) & seemed to give the enemy useful information. Were the numbers fudged from time to time as part of a deliberate disinformation campaign, similar to the Double Cross program?

Any help appreciated.

Don

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I can't believe this has stumped everyone. "Daventry Abschüsse" show up regularly on RLM documents. There's a column for them on the daily Luftlage maps at the BA-MA Freiburg (KART 44), right beside the regular "sicher Abschüsse". They're frequently surprisingly close (Daventry is always lower, of course.) I'm certain I read once that the Daventry BBC station broadcast a report every evening containing the USAAF and RAF NYRs for the previous 24 hours. Is this true? Did the Allies think it useful to broadcast accurate loss figures to the Continent?

Still hopeful for answers,

Don

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Don, in the absence of any answers, perhaps the BBC might be able to provide an answer? After all it was their broadcasts, so they make have an archive section that could provide more information. Just a thought....

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OK -- the source of the "Daventry" reports that the Luftwaffe relied on is just a rumor at this stage, but I'll check out the BBC site for its historical content.

Don

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Some years ago, I owned a book by Alfred Price about the air war. The title was something like "Battle Over The Reich." This book had an appendix with a table called "Daventry figures." He wrote that the Allied loss figures were broadcast every day by this source and the German accepted them as accurate. As I recall, Price wrote that Daventry numbers or losses was what the Germans called them. I am certain that Price did not speculate why the BBC was giving out the Allied loss numbers.

By the way, American newspapers gave the loss figures. You can look at the microfilm of a major American newspaper of March 7, 1944 and it will list the American losses of the day before as 69 bombers and 11 fighters. Many years ago, I spent a day at a college library copying the numbers from a microfilm reader for the major 1944 raids.

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Hi Don,

a series reports prepared by the OKL FuSt Ic in 1945 for General Koller, and captured as a part of his document cache contains tabulated statistics on Luftwaffe and Allied aircraft losses as diseminated via 'Propaganda'. One of the columns in the Table is 'Reported by Daventry' and it shows for December 1944, 667 losses were admitted. For January 1945, the 'Daventry' losses were 389, of which at 260 were four-engined. See ADI(K) Report 351/1945 for a transcription of the documents.

Cheers

Rod

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Thanks, David -- you've got the answer! (And if you're quoting Alfred Price's classic book from memory, you're to be congratulated.) There it is on p. 130 of the 1973 edition -- a summary table of Luftflotte Reich activity for Jan-Jun 44, with a Daventry column which Dr. Price states contains "the losses admitted by the Allies and broadcast over the BBC overseas transmitter at Daventry, figures generally accepted by the Germans as being accurate." So the Luftwaffe commanders had a daily check of true Allied losses, which were frequently much less than those broadcast on the daily Wehrmacht communiqué. The German population was forbidden to listen to the BBC, of course, but the commanders obviously had a "need to know".

Thanks again.

Don

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Hi Rod --

Our messages crossed in the ether. The Koller report sounds much like some that I have, but with Jan 45 data it goes later than most, so I'll need to take a look at it. If it made it to the US, I've got the microfilm -- just need to get my tired eyes ready for it.

Thanks,

Don

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Hi Don,

I figure that 'Daventry' may have been used colloquially by the Germans to refer to news and information broadcast by the BBC Empire Service and the BBC European Service.


In terms of losses, I suspect that British policy at least was to only admit to aircraft that were 'missing', and not aircraft that crashed in friendly territory.

Cheers

Rod

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I've learned from the BBC website that Daventry was the site of the first BBC transmitter to broadcast to the Empire (long-wave, then short-wave), & was used for the first radar experiments, but was shut down soon after the war began & the broadcasts split among several new transmission sites. To the Germans, "Daventry" would have been synonymous with "BBC Overseas Service", whatever the literal truth once the war began.

I don't know how the losses given to the BBC were defined, & will never know -- the data are too sparse. But I have enuf info for my needs. Thanks again.


Don

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Don,

I hope I was of help. I bought Price's book around 1975. I gave it away to a public library several years ago because I didn't need it because of your books. Yes, I quoted from memory. Price's summary table of the "Daventry numbers" had always stuck with me that the Germans believed the loss figures the BBC was giving out. They must have taken their claims, compared them with the Daventry numbers and figured out how much damage they were really doing.

I'm looking forward to purchasing your next volume.

David

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David --

We've got this one nailed (with Dr. Price's help). The Daventry figures could have been used to put out disinformation once the Luftwaffe had gained confidence in them, but that is a minor side question. The startling observation (to me) is the difference at that time between propaganda broadcasts by open and closed societies.

Thanks again,

Don

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Don:

Years ago I had read that the BBC reported the losses which occured over German-held territory and those which crashed into the sea since the Germans in all probability knew of these losses anyway since they could examine the crashes and that it did not give away any information. These broadcasts did not include crashes in Britain or friendly territory nor did they include the Category E--damaged beyond repair, which could add around another 10% to the totals. The RAF raid on Nürnberg on March 30-31, 1944 comes to mind when a total of 108 aircraft were lost of which 96 were reported by the BBC and which are still reported in many publications.

Another example which has been mentioned is the Berlin raid by the 8th AF on March 6, 1944 which resulted in an additional six bombers and three fighters being written-off. Again few publications mention the additional nine aircraft which would bring the total to 89 lost rather than the 80 announced.

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Sylvester:

Thanks for the additional input. I feel that Category E write-offs should be added to crashes to determine true material losses. It's probably correct that the Daventry numbers omitted Cat E losses and crashes in Allied territory, which would make them 10-20% low.

Don