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Unknown label from a Luftwaffe crash site
Some idea about german aircraft have this label? Thanks.
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Here are some other fragments with numbers. Some idea?
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this is a
fern-nah relais from fug 16 anlage biuld 1944 by lorenz mmz dmr baumuster fnr 16 gerat nr 124-980 a now you have to look what type of german plane flow with fug 16. cheers phil |
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the planes that had fug 16 anlagen sue to my list are
AR234B-2 HE111H-20 ME262 ME262A-1/2 FW190A-1/4 TA152H-O ju388L-1 hope this helps phil |
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Searching for 100089 printed on engine block I found: "BP+DK Junkers Ju87D-3 W.Nr.100089 The W.Nr. could be a MM number of Italy the unit is also of Italy 207 Squadriglia, source B0449". We find a italian Stuka?
Here are a fragment of another label ... 5. ... 13005-C5Nu 73128 ax http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/193...ine4767.th.jpg In engine hole we also find a fragment of film and some fragment of gum http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/2...ine4768.th.jpg http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/6...ine4769.th.jpg |
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the stuka D3 ,I am not shure about what type ,but the D1 was with FUG 25. and thats 100% shure
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Here are other fragments we find. Some idea? Thanks!
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gday, where in italy did you find the wreckage? thanks
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Thanks. We find them in Salerno area.
Some idea? |
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Look for some cast pieces of alloy (not engine) and look for the marking:
R8- If that is followed by a number, this will be the aircraft type; eg 87, 88, 109, 110.....etc etc etc. If you find any numbers on egine casting, that might help. EG; 601, 605, 211 etc etc. |
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Finally we returned yesterday to this crash site. We find a label:
StL 131/5 C/R Bauart: Gerat-Nr102-407 C/R Werk-Nr 6392 Anforderz. Fl 204946 Hersteller: cpq http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/742/dvc00104.jpg Some idea about this label? We also find a part of engine with number: 601.329.002 C4 EZ2 http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/5719/dvc00110.jpg Some idea? We also find a part with a logo and print 3.35. Some idea about logo? http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/7/dvc00109n.jpg In the crash we not find any bullets, find some fragment of camera film and some part of wood painted of green colour. Some idea about airplane???? |
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601 means you are dealing with a DB 601
but as it is not my strong point i cannot tell you from what plane maybe the specialists? cheers phil |
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Thanks. I also think this. Perhaps a Fieseler???
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the FL204946 is machinegewehr-lafette for MG 131
so i think it will be a plane with heavy machineguns coz 131 is not a small one hope this will help? cheers phil |
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Do 217 w. DB 601 + MG 131 perhaps ??
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i have done some search about MG 131 and came accross the folowing planes
109 G ME410 FW190 JU88 JU388 HE177 HE177A had even 2 for dorsal def allthose had a mg 131 AND 2 of them had ALSO FUG 16 FW190 and JU388 do you have more stuff withnumbers on ? cheers phil |
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hello salerno,
i have a book with mostly all the FL-LN numbers in , this book is dases on war time archieves on the label its also stated CPQ it stands for .RHEINMETALL BORSIG A G WERK GUBEN this was a factory whom made those 131 why no amo?? _is that site been cleaned up compleetly maybe by others? _ have you searched in an area around the main impact? -was this a surface crash or did the plane went into the ground ? _ could be making an areal reconesance? _did you only found those parts from were you have showen pictures ? cheers phil |
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Hi!
100% that is the wreck of an Me109. There is a 100% identifiable Me109 part from the wing cooler, in the photo that has all the small wreck parts. DB601 part numbers were ALSO used on the DB605...so they were not specific only to the DB601. The green painted wood is part of the radio rack...and the camera film suggest it was a reconnaissance plane. That would also explain the lack of ammo (the Me109 was basically stripped of ammo in the photo reconnaissance versions). So with the Fern/Nah relay (FuG16Z), the MG131 component plate, and the 100% identifiable Me109 wreck part, you have an Me109 G wreck there. The FuG16Z means it would have been a mid-war Me109...so I doubt a G14 or later...most likely a G5 or G6. Mike |
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hello Mike,
it looks you are good in 109 isn't it ? anyway the guy will be happy yet cheers, phil |
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Thanks to everyone. Do you know if is possible to know if there is some informations about this aircraft shot down in days of Salerno's landing? Thanks!
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Here is other photos (sorry for delay but I'm very busy)
A part of wood http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/8292/dvc00156.th.jpg Fragmentf of wood painted green. http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/3973/dvc00155.th.jpg Here is again mark. There is a R and a W. Any idea? http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/9335/dvc00154.th.jpg |
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definitely coming from the wooden dashboard (pic 2).
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Nah...
Pic #2 is the radio rack. The aluminum strip is a grounding wire... ;) 3rd photo is manufacture ink stamp. the "3.35..." is referencing the grade of aluminum... |
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Here are other fragments from this crash site.
Print 386 http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/3015/dvc00227.jpg Fragments of fuselage, one with yellow paint http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/7985/dvc00225.jpg Code painted. Some idea? http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/7243/dvc00226.jpg |
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Hi.
As your last photograph with the stencilled badge with a code in it is a bit smudged I cannot be one hundred percent sure, but my guess is that the first to ciphers are 8-1 , first part of a part or sub-assembly number for a Bf 109 - 8-109-xxxx Regards, Andreas B |
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round item in upper right corner is part of the Sauerstoffdusche (oxygen regulator) in the cockpit.
Mike |
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I not see the second number clearly but it appear to me more like 8-4 that 8-1. |
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