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SALERNO1943 22nd April 2010 13:41

Unknown label from a Luftwaffe crash site
 
Some idea about german aircraft have this label? Thanks.

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/5...magine4757.jpg

http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/5...magine4756.jpg

SALERNO1943 23rd April 2010 19:13

Re: Unknown label from a Luftwaffe crash site
 
Here are some other fragments with numbers. Some idea?

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/6...ine4761.th.jpg

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/4...ine4762.th.jpg

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/835...ine4763.th.jpg

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/8...ine4764.th.jpg

philippe1 24th April 2010 08:32

Re: Unknown label from a Luftwaffe crash site
 
this is a
fern-nah relais from fug 16 anlage
biuld 1944 by lorenz mmz dmr

baumuster fnr 16
gerat nr 124-980 a

now you have to look what type of german plane flow with fug 16.
cheers
phil

philippe1 24th April 2010 08:46

Re: Unknown label from a Luftwaffe crash site
 
the planes that had fug 16 anlagen sue to my list are
AR234B-2
HE111H-20
ME262
ME262A-1/2
FW190A-1/4
TA152H-O
ju388L-1
hope this helps
phil

SALERNO1943 24th April 2010 10:40

Re: Unknown label from a Luftwaffe crash site
 
Searching for 100089 printed on engine block I found: "BP+DK Junkers Ju87D-3 W.Nr.100089 The W.Nr. could be a MM number of Italy the unit is also of Italy 207 Squadriglia, source B0449". We find a italian Stuka?

Here are a fragment of another label
... 5.
... 13005-C5Nu
73128
ax
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/193...ine4767.th.jpg

In engine hole we also find a fragment of film and some fragment of gum
http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/2...ine4768.th.jpg
http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/6...ine4769.th.jpg

philippe1 24th April 2010 11:19

Re: Unknown label from a Luftwaffe crash site
 
the stuka D3 ,I am not shure about what type ,but the D1 was with FUG 25. and thats 100% shure

SALERNO1943 13th May 2010 09:59

Re: Unknown label from a Luftwaffe crash site
 
Here are other fragments we find. Some idea? Thanks!
http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/693...ine4773.th.jpg
http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/8...ine4770.th.jpg
http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/2...ine4771.th.jpg
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/309...ine4772.th.jpg

kiwicampbell 4th December 2010 20:36

Re: Unknown label from a Luftwaffe crash site
 
gday, where in italy did you find the wreckage? thanks

SALERNO1943 4th December 2010 20:40

Re: Unknown label from a Luftwaffe crash site
 
Thanks. We find them in Salerno area.
Some idea?

Andy Saunders 5th December 2010 18:53

Re: Unknown label from a Luftwaffe crash site
 
Look for some cast pieces of alloy (not engine) and look for the marking:

R8-

If that is followed by a number, this will be the aircraft type; eg 87, 88, 109, 110.....etc etc etc.

If you find any numbers on egine casting, that might help. EG; 601, 605, 211 etc etc.

SALERNO1943 30th July 2011 16:58

Re: Unknown label from a Luftwaffe crash site
 
Finally we returned yesterday to this crash site. We find a label:

StL 131/5 C/R
Bauart: Gerat-Nr102-407 C/R
Werk-Nr 6392
Anforderz. Fl 204946
Hersteller: cpq
http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/742/dvc00104.jpg

Some idea about this label?

We also find a part of engine with number:

601.329.002 C4 EZ2
http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/5719/dvc00110.jpg

Some idea?

We also find a part with a logo and print 3.35. Some idea about logo?

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/7/dvc00109n.jpg

In the crash we not find any bullets, find some fragment of camera film and some part of wood painted of green colour.

Some idea about airplane????

philippe1 30th July 2011 18:10

Re: Unknown label from a Luftwaffe crash site
 
601 means you are dealing with a DB 601
but as it is not my strong point i cannot tell you from what plane maybe the specialists?
cheers
phil

SALERNO1943 30th July 2011 18:15

Re: Unknown label from a Luftwaffe crash site
 
Thanks. I also think this. Perhaps a Fieseler???

philippe1 30th July 2011 19:03

Re: Unknown label from a Luftwaffe crash site
 
the FL204946 is machinegewehr-lafette for MG 131
so i think it will be a plane with heavy machineguns coz 131 is not a small one
hope this will help? cheers
phil

edNorth 31st July 2011 18:18

Re: Unknown label from a Luftwaffe crash site
 
Do 217 w. DB 601 + MG 131 perhaps ??
Just a wild guess.

philippe1 31st July 2011 18:53

Re: Unknown label from a Luftwaffe crash site
 
i have done some search about MG 131 and came accross the folowing planes
109 G
ME410
FW190
JU88
JU388
HE177
HE177A had even 2 for dorsal def

allthose had a mg 131 AND 2 of them had ALSO FUG 16 FW190 and JU388
do you have more stuff withnumbers on ?
cheers
phil

SALERNO1943 31st July 2011 21:12

Re: Unknown label from a Luftwaffe crash site
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by philippe1 (Post 132084)
the FL204946 is machinegewehr-lafette for MG 131
so i think it will be a plane with heavy machineguns coz 131 is not a small one
hope this will help? cheers
phil

Do you are sure that FL204946 is for MG131???? In the crash site we not find any bullets and this is the first crash site (we find 10) we not find bullets!

philippe1 31st July 2011 22:27

Re: Unknown label from a Luftwaffe crash site
 
hello salerno,
i have a book with mostly all the FL-LN numbers in , this book is dases on war time archieves
on the label its also stated CPQ
it stands for .RHEINMETALL BORSIG A G WERK GUBEN
this was a factory whom made those 131

why no amo??
_is that site been cleaned up compleetly maybe by others?
_ have you searched in an area around the main impact?
-was this a surface crash or did the plane went into the ground ?
_ could be making an areal reconesance?
_did you only found those parts from were you have showen pictures ?
cheers
phil

harrison987 1st August 2011 06:28

Re: Unknown label from a Luftwaffe crash site
 
Hi!

100% that is the wreck of an Me109.

There is a 100% identifiable Me109 part from the wing cooler, in the photo that has all the small wreck parts.

DB601 part numbers were ALSO used on the DB605...so they were not specific only to the DB601.

The green painted wood is part of the radio rack...and the camera film suggest it was a reconnaissance plane. That would also explain the lack of ammo (the Me109 was basically stripped of ammo in the photo reconnaissance versions).

So with the Fern/Nah relay (FuG16Z), the MG131 component plate, and the 100% identifiable Me109 wreck part, you have an Me109 G wreck there.

The FuG16Z means it would have been a mid-war Me109...so I doubt a G14 or later...most likely a G5 or G6.

Mike

philippe1 1st August 2011 17:07

Re: Unknown label from a Luftwaffe crash site
 
hello Mike,
it looks you are good in 109 isn't it ?
anyway the guy will be happy yet
cheers,
phil

SALERNO1943 1st August 2011 19:59

Re: Unknown label from a Luftwaffe crash site
 
Thanks to everyone. Do you know if is possible to know if there is some informations about this aircraft shot down in days of Salerno's landing? Thanks!

SALERNO1943 2nd August 2011 19:15

Re: Unknown label from a Luftwaffe crash site
 
Here is other photos (sorry for delay but I'm very busy)

A part of wood

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/8292/dvc00156.th.jpg

Fragmentf of wood painted green.

http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/3973/dvc00155.th.jpg

Here is again mark. There is a R and a W. Any idea?

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/9335/dvc00154.th.jpg

ClinA-78 2nd August 2011 19:30

Re: Unknown label from a Luftwaffe crash site
 
definitely coming from the wooden dashboard (pic 2).

harrison987 3rd August 2011 05:41

Re: Unknown label from a Luftwaffe crash site
 
Nah...

Pic #2 is the radio rack. The aluminum strip is a grounding wire... ;)

3rd photo is manufacture ink stamp. the "3.35..." is referencing the grade of aluminum...

SALERNO1943 17th August 2011 12:37

Re: Unknown label from a Luftwaffe crash site
 
Here are other fragments from this crash site.

Print 386

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/3015/dvc00227.jpg

Fragments of fuselage, one with yellow paint

http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/7985/dvc00225.jpg

Code painted. Some idea?

http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/7243/dvc00226.jpg

Andreas Brekken 17th August 2011 15:42

Re: Unknown label from a Luftwaffe crash site
 
Hi.

As your last photograph with the stencilled badge with a code in it is a bit smudged I cannot be one hundred percent sure, but my guess is that the first to ciphers are 8-1 , first part of a part or sub-assembly number for a Bf 109 - 8-109-xxxx

Regards,
Andreas B

harrison987 17th August 2011 17:53

Re: Unknown label from a Luftwaffe crash site
 
round item in upper right corner is part of the Sauerstoffdusche (oxygen regulator) in the cockpit.

Mike

SALERNO1943 17th August 2011 19:39

Re: Unknown label from a Luftwaffe crash site
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Andreas Brekken (Post 132865)
Hi.

As your last photograph with the stencilled badge with a code in it is a bit smudged I cannot be one hundred percent sure, but my guess is that the first to ciphers are 8-1 , first part of a part or sub-assembly number for a Bf 109 - 8-109-xxxx

Regards,
Andreas B

Thanks for your interesting information. This number is matricular code of aircraft?
I not see the second number clearly but it appear to me more like 8-4 that 8-1.


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