Junkers Ju-88A-4 W.Nr. 10096 / Stammkennzeichen
 

Hi

What was the Stammkennzeichen of the Junkers Ju-88A-4 W.Nr. 10096, 5T+CK, belonging to 2./KG 101?

Cheers,

Franklin

* From Brazil

Re: Junkers Ju-88A-4 W.Nr. 10096 / Stammkennzeichen
 

No Ju 88 A-4 is known with that W.Nr.

Re: Junkers Ju-88A-4 W.Nr. 10096 / Stammkennzeichen
 

This is the W.Nr. that appears on Robert Forsyth book, Mistel: German Composite Aircraft and Operations, p. 98.

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Re: Junkers Ju-88A-4 W.Nr. 10096 / Stammkennzeichen
 

10096 was the W-Nr. of the Bf 109 F with the Stkz. VE+TP. The W-Nr. of the Ju 88 A-4 was 2559 (KI+CI) and 5T+CK was the Vbkz. of the entire Mistel. It was the Mistel V5.

Regards
Peter

Re: Junkers Ju-88A-4 W.Nr. 10096 / Stammkennzeichen
 

Hi Peter

According to the same book, the Bf 109F-4 of this Mistel was the CD+LX (WNr. 10 130), correct?

Best regards,
Franklin

Re: Junkers Ju-88A-4 W.Nr. 10096 / Stammkennzeichen
 

I don't have this book and don't understand what you mean. 109/10096 and 88/2559 was one Mistel (V5). The 10130 was the 109 of another one (Mistel V7).

Peter

Re: Junkers Ju-88A-4 W.Nr. 10096 / Stammkennzeichen
 

Hi Peter

See below the photo and caption in the book on Mistel.

The information on this Mistel is wrong?

Anyway, something strange is this Mistel use a version of the late 'Elefantenrussel' while all other Mistel of the 2./KG 101 use the early version.

:confused:


http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/5421/mistel4500.jpg

"It is possible that this is was the aircraft which F/L Dinsdale and F/O Dunn shot down on 14 june 1944. A Mistel S1, Bf 109, W.Nr. 10130 (CD+LX)/Ju 88A-4 W.Nr. 10096 (5T+CK) White 5, is reported in German records as being shot down that night with Ofw. Heinz Lochmüller (Bf 109) wounded and Oblt. Albert Rheker (Ju 88) posted as missing. In this picture, the Ju 88 appears to carry the white tactical number '5' on its tail fin - similar to the Mistel shown on pages 95, 100 and opposite. The Ju 88 has been fitted with a warhead, whereas the Mistel quoted as lost was a training variant, an S1, but it should be remembered that removal of the Ju 88's cockpit and the instalation/de-instalation of a warhead could be executed relatively simply and quickly, suggesting that in this case the warhead was fitted temporarily, possibly for photographic purposes."

Re: Junkers Ju-88A-4 W.Nr. 10096 / Stammkennzeichen
 

The image and text are from this book:

http://www.kitreview.com/reviews/ima...reviewbg_1.jpg

Re: Junkers Ju-88A-4 W.Nr. 10096 / Stammkennzeichen
 

Yes, both Mistels the V5 and V7 were lost on 14/15 June 1944 and belonged to Eins.St./KG 101. And the Mistels were not S1 but Mistel 2.

Peter

Re: Junkers Ju-88A-4 W.Nr. 10096 / Stammkennzeichen
 

Thank's Peter.

What was the Vbkz. of Mistel V7?

Regards,
Franklin

Re: Junkers Ju-88A-4 W.Nr. 10096 / Stammkennzeichen
 

I don’t have a Vbkz. of the V7 and I doubt whether this aircraft ever got an Vbkz. According to my documents these early Mistels got its Vbkz. at Kolberg like the V5. In contrast to the V5 the V7 was ferried directly from Nordhausen to St. Dizier.

Peter

Re: Junkers Ju-88A-4 W.Nr. 10096 / Stammkennzeichen
 

Thank you for your help, Peter.

:)

Re: Junkers Ju-88A-4 W.Nr. 10096 / Stammkennzeichen
 

I don't have the Mistel book either, but there were 2 Ju 88s from KG 101 recorded lost on 13-Jun-44:

Ju 88A-4, 8765, Scheiberle, Ltn. Herbert, , E.St., KG 101, , 5T+BX, , , 13-Jun-44, MIA with crew, cause unknown., , Lfl.3, BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/779, Flzg.-Unfälle bei Schulen usw., p.101, , , 100%, E, , ,
Ju 88A-4, 140366, Schönherr, Oblt. Emil, , E.St., KG 101, , 5T+FX, , , 13-Jun-44, MIA with crew, cause unknown., , Lfl.3, BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/779, Flzg.-Unfälle bei Schulen usw., p.101, , , 100%, E, , ,



Where these Mistels? Have nothing for 14/15-Jun-44, but the Lw losses are certainly not always accurate or complete. The WNr. 10096 suggests that this may have been a Ju 88G-1 WNr. 710096? The 109 WNr. 10130 certainly has the SKZ 'CD+LX' and according to one source I have was lost on 15-Jun.

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Re: Junkers Ju-88A-4 W.Nr. 10096 / Stammkennzeichen
 

Hi, Thenelm

Forsyth mentions only four Mistel of 2./KG of 101 in St Dizier. One I mentioned above (White 5) and more these three, below.

* Mistel 1 (V7), arrived from Nordhausen in 10 june 1944.

* Mistel S1 (V8), Bf 109 (NA+YS)/Ju-88 (CN+FK) arrived in St Dizier in 18 june 1944. This aircraft was assigned the tactical number 'White 1' by KG 101.

* Mistel S1 (V12), Bf 109 (DE+VK)/Ju-88 (GI+QH) arrived in St Dizier in 19 june 1944.

There are many pictures in the book of the 'White' 1, 2, 3 and 4 at St Dizier, in June 1944.

Cheers,
Franklin

Re: Junkers Ju-88A-4 W.Nr. 10096 / Stammkennzeichen
 

Incorrect suggestion. No Ju 88 G-1´s that I know of were between the prototypes (V58 W.Nr. 700001, V59 W.Nr. 700002) and G-1 W.Nr. 710401 etc.

Best regards
ed

Re: Junkers Ju-88A-4 W.Nr. 10096 / Stammkennzeichen
 

Hi people,

I found in this forum the following information about the Bf 109 F-4/CD + LX/WNr 10 130:

"Die CD+LX wurde übrigens zusammen mit der Ju 88/GD+JN als Mistelgespann Anfang Juni 1944 in Nordhausen erprobt."

http://www.luftwaffe-bullet-board.co...972ff0d55ddb18

This Ju-88A-4 is the same as that in Normandy was lost on 13/14 June 1944, when piloted by Ofw. Heinz Lochmüller?

Many thanks for your help!

:)

Cheers,
Franklin