Missions flown by KG(J) 6
 

Hello,

I am looking for information about missions flown by KG(J) 6 from airfields around Prague in the last month of the war.
I found some information about the units few Me-262s, but I can't find any info about missions flown by the units Me-109s and Fw-190s. Does anyone know more? I am especially interested in 8./KG(J) 6.
I guess something can be found in JaPo Publishings "Luftwaffe over Czech Territory", unfortunatly it looks like the book is sold out.

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I guess you have to wait for this title:
http://www.japo.eu/products.php
http://www.japo.eu/showpic.php?pic=b...ookcover15.jpg

regards

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Peter, I heard about this book, but it is mainly about the Me-262. I am more interested in the missions flown by the Me-109s and Fw-190s of KG(J)6.

Maybe someone who owns "Luftwaffe over Czech Territory" can have a look if it contains the information I am looking for.

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It doesn't. There may be some detail in the text, though I doubt it. It mostly contains photos and losses - not to minimize the book at all. Wonderful book, but there is only so much they can do given the holes in the 1945 documentation.

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That's too bad. Does anyone have another idea were I might find information?

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Very little is written in Czech book "Praha v Plamenech = Prague in flames".
Table of losses is there and some memories...But I cannot say how new it may be to someone interested in these units...pages 80-86.

http://www.svetkridel.cz/pix/kniha1228571387.jpg
http://www.svetkridel.cz/index.php?i...20KA%8A%8A%C1K

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Attached is an article written by Jan Horn about KG(J) 6 operations. There is some info about Bf 109 missions. Jan Horn is also the author of two books about Kampfgeschwader 6. See here http://horn-me262.de/. I hope this helps a little.

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Thank you very much Hans Mcilveen. No infos about Bf 109 combat missions in the article, but none the less very interesting.

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Jan Horns book 'Wir flogen gen Westen ' has a 10 page chapter titled ' Umschulung zu Jagdfliegen im Raum Prag '. It also includes the losses of Bf109s and Me262s of KG(J)6 in its loss lists.

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Did Horn mention the cause of the Bf-109 losses in his book? Were they all due to accidents or also in combat?
All Bf-109 losses mentioned in his article seem to be due to accidents.

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There are around 70 Bf109's recorded as damaged/destroyed, 9 are shown as shot down by enemy fighters (mainly P-51) and 32 pilots are named as killed/injured.

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Thanks for the information Brian. So obviously not only the units Me-262s flew combat missions, but also the Bf-109s.

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The list shows 5 pilots killed and 5 wounded on 31st. March while Bf109s on Feindflug and 1 pilot killed on a Feindflug in a Bf109 on 20th April. As regards 262s lost on Feindflug - 1 on 2nd April, 2 on 24th April, 1 on 25th April, 1 on 27th April and one on 8th May. All other 109/262 losses are shown as 'H' for non-operational flight.

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What surprises me is the large number of non-combat losses. I guess the reason is, that most pilots of KG(J)6 were former bomber pilots who didn't had much training on the Bf-109.

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And what about straffing of US fightr pilots on Prague airfields? That may cause much of damage and destruction ...

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Hallo, I made a short list of KG(J)6 losses, all cases I know from local dokuments (mainly police report)

44.12.24 Prag Bf109 +Sondermann Fritz Fhr. 44.12.31 PragBf109 +Gottschlich Alfred Fw.
45.01.02 PragBf109 782167 +Wähle Hans Oblt.
45.01.04 PragBf109 +Nentwig Hubert Uffz. 45.01.04 PragBf109 165516 Griesemann Frithjof Uffz.
45.01.09 PragBf109 +Arndt Carl Lt.
45.01.18 PragBf109 13036 +Fix Hans Uffz.
45.01.23 PragBf109 163498 +Konig Rudolf Obfw. 45.01.23 Rakovnik Bf109 332758
45.01.29 Pisek Bf108
45.02.01 Prag Bf109 491448 Bernhardy Friedrich Uffz.
45.02.02 Prag Bf109 +Schürer, Joachim Ofw.
45.02.02 Prag Bf109 Barth, Hermann Ltn.
45.02.04 Pisek Bf109 332379 Allmanns Uffz 45.02.11 Nymburk Bf109 150862 Brodasch Wilhelm Fw.
45.02.11 PragBf109 150977 45.02.15 PragBf109 Schmidt Helmut Uffz.
45.02.18 PragBf109 151051 +Rothaler Karl Obgefr. 45.02.19 Plzen Bf109 331472
45.02.22 PragBf109 331419
45.02.27 PragBf109 331363 Hartman Oblt. 45.03.04 PragBf109 150992 45.03.08. PragBf109 150752
45.03.08. Prag Bf109 150931 +Reimers Günther Uffz.
45.03.08. Prag Bf109 +Bernhardy Friedrich Uffz.
45.03.10. Melnik Bf109 332293 +Martens Gunther Uffz.
45.03.16. Kut.Hora Bf109 150908 Berberich Josef Uffz.
45.03.17 PragBf109 151572 +Altmann Wilhelm Uffz.
45.03.17 Prag Bf109 +Korsak Leopold Obfhr.
45.03.29 PragMe262 Schulmeister Karl Heinz Lt.
45.03.31 Prag 10 x Bf109 (note: shotdown by Mustangs of 31st FG)
45.04.02 Usti n/L Me262 +Blüthchen Günter Heinz Uffz.
45.04.24 Kladno Me262 501201 +Gulde Henning Oblt.

All high rank fighters were propably formerly bomber pilots, I will welcome any other info´s about their previous military careers.

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Hello Barkas,

Can you confirm that the 262 of Oblt. Henning Gulde was 501201?

It may have been this 262 :
24/04 A jet of III./KG(J) 6 was shot down southwest of Prague, and 100% destroyed. It may have been attacking B-17s, as a Me 262 is known to have been lost during a B-17 intercept mission.

Thank you, Dan

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Dear Barkas,

I have the Gulde info as this:

27/04 Lt. (Oblt) Henning Gulde (or Staka), Staffelkapitän of 7./KG(J) 6 was KIA in a Me 262 A-1a after he was shot down by fighters west of Prague.

Note that it is listed as 27 April.

I look forward to more information.

Thank you, Dan

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Hallo Dan,
of course I have your book, it´s great work! And also I have many notes for you (I will send you privat message).

The date of Gulde dead I´m sure, I found in local archives two diferent police (gendarmerie) reports with the real date (there were name, ID and wnr.), I found also crash site and I got three old, post war photos of wreck with wnr. good for read.

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Dear Barkas,

Thank you! I will clear out some space on the private message area, as it is full :-(

Best wishes, Dan