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mars 21st May 2010 23:00

Forthcoming:Air Wars Over Kursk: Turning Point in the East
 
Any one heard of this book and its author?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Air-Wars-Ove...71931&sr=1-353

edwest 22nd May 2010 05:16

Re: Forthcoming:Air Wars Over Kursk: Turning Point in the East
 
Here are some additional details.

http://www.sampublications.com/frames/aw_in_f.htm




Usual disclaimer,
Ed

mars 22nd May 2010 06:04

Re: Forthcoming:Air Wars Over Kursk: Turning Point in the East
 
Thanks, I will put this book into my list

Evgeny Velichko 22nd May 2010 07:33

Re: Forthcoming:Air Wars Over Kursk: Turning Point in the East
 
Dmitriy Khazanov - take care on this author. We here, in Russia, wait nothing good from him.

Dénes Bernád 22nd May 2010 17:51

Re: Forthcoming:Air Wars Over Kursk: Turning Point in the East
 
Can you elaborate this statement? Just curious...

Evgeny Velichko 22nd May 2010 23:35

Re: Forthcoming:Air Wars Over Kursk: Turning Point in the East
 
Ask someone on "vif2ne" forum :)

Jim Oxley 23rd May 2010 12:50

Re: Forthcoming:Air Wars Over Kursk: Turning Point in the East
 
It really is unfair to cast aspersions on an author (or anyone for that matter) and not qualify it with details.

Jukka Juutinen 23rd May 2010 15:12

Re: Forthcoming:Air Wars Over Kursk: Turning Point in the East
 
How about those Russians who wait nothing good from Hazanov wrote their books in English to counter Hazanov´s writings...

Peter D Evans 23rd May 2010 15:21

Re: Forthcoming:Air Wars Over Kursk: Turning Point in the East
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Evgeny Velichko (Post 107270)
Ask someone on "vif2ne" forum :)

For those of us who aren't members of the forum you quote, would you be kind enough to provide a brief resume as to what these issues are? Forums like this thrive on the subjective and constructive opinions of its membership and I for one, as somebody looking to increase his knowledge of the Eastern Front airwar, would be interested to learn more...

Cheers
Peter D Evans
LEMB Administrator

Nokose 24th May 2010 22:01

Re: Forthcoming:Air Wars Over Kursk: Turning Point in the East
 
I have several of Dmitriy Khazanov's books (in Russian) which has some good material on the fate of some German aircraft and information on some VVS losses. If your looking for someone to give an impartial narrative of the events he doesn't provide it. He co-authored a book in 2003 with Vitaliy Gorbach called "Aviatsiya V Bitve Nad Orlovcko-Kurskoy Dugoy" which has some great tables on the VVS losses (only partial). It was about the defensive period of Kursk. He sometimes provides information (stories) from the Soviet news releases at the time but doesn't follow up with what is known now on the same subject. I remember that he trashed Erich Hartmann's claims a few years back and Erik Mombeeck wrote a response. Khazanov's information on some of the claims that he presented didn't match some of Hartmann's claims (dates and locations). He lists some of Prien's books as his sources but only to prove his point for a Soviet pilot. I've found only one time that he's taken a real interest in a German pilot and that was Hans Strelow of JG51 in March 1942 (which was postive) for a few paragraphs. If there is something more that the Russian forum has it would be interesting to know.

Dénes Bernád 25th May 2010 21:30

Re: Forthcoming:Air Wars Over Kursk: Turning Point in the East
 
An earlier thread I've started deals with Khazanov's personal view on Hartmann's victory tally:
http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showth...light=khazanov

Peter D Evans 25th May 2010 22:27

Re: Forthcoming:Air Wars Over Kursk: Turning Point in the East
 
Many thanks Nokose & Dénes, appreciate the feedback & links...

Cheers
Peter D Evans
LEMB Administrator

Evgeny Velichko 25th May 2010 23:28

Re: Forthcoming:Air Wars Over Kursk: Turning Point in the East
 
Friends:

In forthcoming book will be nothing more or new comparing with Vitaly Gorbatch's book. Its just another "cutting a greens from tree" of Khazanov, as was his previous book on air war over Kursk, published in Japan.

BTW got interesting news from Vitaly: next field of research and a subject of book will be air battle over Dnieper, autumn 1943.

Nokose 25th May 2010 23:45

Re: Forthcoming:Air Wars Over Kursk: Turning Point in the East
 
Evgeny, That is great news about his next book. Russian text or is he expanding into English(I hope!).

So do you think this is just a re-write on his book with Gorbach on the defensive period?

Also my mistake on thinking it was Erik Mombeeck who wrote that reply when it was Hans Ring.

Christian Schulz 26th May 2010 11:58

Re: Forthcoming:Air Wars Over Kursk: Turning Point in the East
 
Actually I hope the criticism provides some encouragement for the russian authors to come forth from their "self-imposed isolation" and translate their works into English. I am very much interested in any serious book on the Eastern Front air war, much more so than the umpteenth book on the US bomber campaign or the Defense of the Reich. ;)

Evgeny Velichko 26th July 2010 09:12

Re: Forthcoming:Air Wars Over Kursk: Turning Point in the East
 
Gents: if You want a good book about Citadelle, try to contact with Vitaly and translate his book :) His problem is his very bad english.

About Khazanov (sorry, but after last his "fails" I just cant be silent), I will quote myself posted on LEMB:
Quote:

Gents:

I had a discussions about that book and about that author with many Russian authors. Also, I've read many of his books and articles. So. my 5cents will be:

  • Author is very "free" with his suggestions, which producing many speculations, even with actions, largely presented in VVS documents (which he was too lazy to search or analyse).
  • On the same time, author position himself as a very wisdom and popular (had many interviews on radio) historian.
  • Seems for us (Russian speaking community), that he is just great money hunter.

About subject book: there is no new info after his co-work with Vitaly Gorbach (which book about Air Battle over Citadel is perfect).

As for me, I would not buy that book.

Ruy Horta 26th July 2010 10:57

Re: Forthcoming:Air Wars Over Kursk: Turning Point in the East
 
From the same series:

http://www.sampublications.com/frames/aw_in_f.htm

I found this one more interesting

Juha 28th September 2010 16:34

Re: Forthcoming:Air Wars Over Kursk: Turning Point in the East
 
Hello
as one who doesn’t have a copy of Khazanov’s & Gorbach’s book but interested in the Battle of Kursk and who didn’t have read new books on airwar of that battle during past couple decades I bought Khazanov’s book. Having read first 45 pages, ie the defensive phase of the fighting on the northern salient of the Kursk bulge, I’d say not bad. There is some annoying typos and the English is in places a bit awkward and many photos are seen before but there are also many photos new to me, some of them quite interesting, Khazanov also mentioned the effects of battles in Mediterranean TO to the LW in the East and mentioned, only very briefly but anyway, the effect of partisan and ADD attacks to LW supply situation. One gets info on forces used, how they were used, the losses and the intensity of the battle.

Juha


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