4 more Ju88 A-17 june 1944
 

Hello !

Ju88 A-17 9/KG77 WNr550057 pilot Lt Werner Pohl lost on 13 june 1944 ; can someone provide for this aircraft code (3Z+?T) and names of three other crewmembers ?

Ju-88 A-17 1/KG77 WNr822638 3Z+PH lost on 14 june 1944 ; can someone provide me names of crew ?

Ju88 A-17 WNr801587 and ? from 2 and 9/KG77 lost on 14 june 1944 ; can someone provide me codes, missing WNr and names of crew ?

Thanks in advance

Claude

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Pohl: No code and remaining crew were Uffz Kurt Bergmann, Uffz Erwin Kellermann, Uffz Emil Belzer
3Z+PH: Lt Erich Ficke, Uffz Rudolf Wartha, Uffz Heinz Bock, Uffz Adolf Bernhard
801587: This was the 9/KG 77 aircraft Ofw Willy Thiele, Obfhr Hellmut Schott, Ogefr Alfred Hetzelt, Gefr Elmo Strunck. No code. Need more details for this possible 2/KG 77 loss

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Hello !

I found this info on a forum with a thread treating of destruction of HMS BOADICEA on 12-13 june 1944 ; references to other aircraft losses during this period for KG77 were true ; for this aircraft of 2/KG77 I found nothing. I think it is perharps a confusion with 3Z+LK lost on 22 june.Could you provide me WNr and crew names for this one too as for 3Z+AR lost on 18 june.

Regards

Claude

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In respect of 18 Jun, I have a I/KG 77 ac lost as opposed to a 7/KG 77 ac? 3Z+LK was (I think) 801586 Hptm Dietrich Jordan, Fw Hans Braune, Uffz Franz Horn, Uffz Kal Bentrup

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you are true ; I have made a mistake ; all my apologies.
It is Ju88 A-17 3Z+AR of I/KG77 pilot Uffz Dietrich Herschel, lost on 18 june 1944.
Have you the WNr and names of rest of crew ?

All my thanks

Claude

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The pilot was Henschel not Herschel. Wk Nr possibly 801788 or 801738. Uffz Helmut Brossner, Uffz Wolfgang Hofer & Uffz Gerhard Elfruth. What is your interest with these losses?

Re: 4 more Ju88 A-17 june 1944
 

I collect for personnal research all possible informations on operations of torpedo bombers of KG26 and KG77 in Channel from june to august 1944.

Regards

Claude

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Salut Claude,

if you are interested, i have at home some information about Mr. Lübke. He was pilot of KG 26 and became POW after ditching with his Ju88 in the channel.


Best greetings from bavaria

Lino

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Salut Lino !

I have a Leutnant Olaf Lübke of 9 /KG26, plane lost during night of 18 to 19 june 1944 following attack by nightfighter.I was thinking all crew has been lost in the crash. I am very much interested by informations on this plane and crew.
Thanks in advance.

Greetings from Paris

Claude

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Prisoner report shows the code for Ofw. Thieles aircraft as 3Z+ET, aircraft hit by ships AA and crashed into the Channel at 0030hrs 15th June. Thiele POW wounded, Schott +, Hetzelt missing, Strunck POW.

3Z+PH on 14th June the body of the Bf Uffz Heinz Bock was picked up off Falmouth on 18th June

Prisoner report shows Ju88 of 9/KG26 1H+LT shot down by AA fire from a Destroyer crashed into Channel at 2315hrs on 18th June,crew picked up and landed in England. FF Ltn Olaf Lupke (umlaut over u ), B Uffz. Alfre Woiwode, Bf Ogef. Fritz Hernesman, Bs Ogef. Edgar Mohr - crew had made three warflights and done their torpedo training with KG102 at RIga

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All my thanks !

Claude

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Salut Claude,

Olaf Lübke survived the crash and became POW. I'm in contact with him from time to time and about 6 weeks ago i was visiting him. I'm working on the missions of KG 26 and KG 77 in the mediterranean area and specially southern france, as i spent almost all my hollidays in this area. But of course, i collected also information about missions in the "north".

He was writing a small report about this mentioned mission, i will copy it for you. Can you read/translate german text?

Greetings

Lino

Re: 4 more Ju88 A-17 june 1944
 

Salut Lino

my knowledge of german is not fantastic but I can read it.

Thanks in advance

Claude

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Hi Claude,

Brian seems to be right, the report from Olaf Luebke names also the Flak fire coming from 3 destroyers as reason for the loss of AC. Left engine was hit and burning, later also the tail unit was damaged, so they had to do an emergency landing in the sea at about 23.15h.

Please watch your PM

Greetings

Lino

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Wow, this is great information guys! Love filling in the 1944 'holes' in my database. Thanks for this great thread - wish we could get more like it. I do have one question. Does anyone by chance have a WNr. for the 9./KG 26 loss for Lüpke (or Lübke per Schmidt's 'Achtung-Torpedos Los!') on 18-Jun?

Re: 4 more Ju88 A-17 june 1944
 

Hi,
i have the NVM somewhere about the loss of the AC. Correct spelling is Olaf Lübke.
I'll look for it the afternoon.

Greetings

Lino

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Hi Jim,

Olaf Lübke Ju 88 A-17, 9./KG26, 1H+LT: WNr: 801 371

Another one from 7./KG 26 on the same NVM to fill your DB:

Ju 88 A-17 1H+CR, WNr. 822 592, Attack on invasion fleet, crashed in sea 18.06.1944 in the Seine-Area, Crew missing,
(FF Fw H. Böse, Beob. Gefr. H. Amtmann, Bf Obgfr. W. Hörner, Bw. Uffz. H. Schlefers)

Greetings

Lino

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Hello Lino,

Have you the WNr of 1H+CP of 6/KG26 shot down north of Cherbourg during the same night ?

and WNr, Staffel, code of plane of Uffz Bütner (wounded), Jansen (killed),
Staüdel (killed) and Ogefr Braukmann (wounded), shot down 19 june by intruder over Valence airfield while coming back from mission on Channel.

Regards

Claude

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Büttner (2 ts) was not shot down according to the NVM and the Wk Nr only is handwritten in as 8230?? They were 4 Staffel.
CP's Wk Nr is 801396

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Not sure I'm contributing to anything already known, but according to Schmidt, the crew of these aircraft were as I entered into my db:
Ju 88A-17, 822592, Böse, Fw. Heinz, , 7., KG 26, , 1H+CR, , , 18-Jun-44, MIA with crew, cause unknown., , Invasionsraum, TOCH; Schmidt, Achtung-Torpedos Los!, p.366, , Raum Seinemündung, 100%, F, B Gefr. Heribert Amtmann, Bf Obgfr. Wilhelm Hörner & Bw. Uffz. Hubert Schlefers, ,
Ju 88A-, 801396, Naser, Uffz, Hans, , 6., KG 26, , 1H+CP, , , 18-Jun-44, MIA with crew, cause unknown. Bs POW., , Kanal, TOCH; Schmidt, Achtung-Torpedos Los!, p.355, , nördlich Cherbourg, 100%, F, B Ogefr. Gerhard Bleul, Bf Ogefr. Willi Weber & Bs Uffz. Urban Dieringer, ,
Ju 88A-, 8230??, Büttner, Uffz. Siegfried, , 4., KG 26, , , , , 19-Jun-44, WIA, cause unknown, during return from sortie. B & Bf KIA, Bs WIA. Luftkampf with intruder?, , Kanal, TOCH; Schmidt, Achtung-Torpedos Los!, p.355, , über Fl.Pl. Valence, 100%, F, B Uffz. Heinz Jansen, Bf Uffz. Johann Stäudel & Bs Ogefr. Karl Braukmann, ,

Re: 4 more Ju88 A-17 june 1944
 

Many thanks to you guys, Lino, Chris & Claude. There are published sources for some of the KG losses over the Invasion front for KG 2, KG 6, KG 54 & LG 1 (sure I've forgotten some), but being able to fill in the 'holes' for the KG losses for June-44 is greatly appreciated. Would love to see any of you guys publish your research in this area one of these days!

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I was hoping to write about German bomber ops over Normandy...maybe in the future but the dearth of first-hand accounts might prevent me from doing this

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Hi, not wanting to hijack Martin75's thread, but still relevant.
Could anybody oblige with the loss detail for KG77 22.6.44 Junkers 88A-17 a/c lost.

3Z+KP W.Nr 888804
3Z+CP W.Nr 301541
3Z+LL W.Nr 801614

Any info on crew or loss detail most appreciated.

Best regs,
Steve.

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Steve, from 'K' reports I have:-

3Z+KP in sea 20 miles N/W Le Harve at 2330 hrs attacked by N/F Bf and Bs baled out - Ff Ltn. Werner Kornemann missing, B Gef. Alexander Petersohn missing, Bf Uffz. Erich Tonges (umlaut over o) POW, Bs Uffz. Herbert Stoppler missing.

3Z+CP in sea off Cherbourg Penisula 2345hrs hit by ships AA starboard wing tank exploded and crew baled out -FF. Uffz Hilmar Hauck missing, B. Ogef Herbert Weise POW picked up by a Destroyer, Bf Fw. Otto Essmann missing, Bs Ogef. Hemut Iestolik missing.

3Z+LL in sea 20 miles north off Cherbourg at 0010hrs hit by ships AA shortly after releasing torpedos - Ff Ltn. Ulrich Laubis POW wounded, B Uffz. Gerhard Lindenau, Bf Uffz. Andreas Prohls ( umlaut over o) Bm Uffz. Gerhard Will all missing Pilot rescued later that morning from his dinghy.

Spellings of names best I can make out from quality of reports,

Regards

Brian Bines

Re: 4 more Ju88 A-17 june 1944
 

Brian, im extremely grateful for your help in clarifying these losses.
Many thanks.

Best regs,
Steve.

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Hello,

for the fourth name of crew of 3Z+CP I have Ogefr. Helmut Niestelik !

Regards

Claude

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NVM says Niestolik and Prohls is Pöhle

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Hello Claude,
I am also interested in informations about torpedo bombers of KG77 in the mediteranian june to august 1944. My father had been the navigator of a JU88 A4 torp. 3Z+OH. He and his crew survived 21 missions. I have the original log-book of this plane from one of the crew-members where all the flights are documented and fotos from that time. Have you any interesting material, fotos, documents?

Regards, Harald

Re: 4 more Ju88 A-17 june 1944
 

Hello Harald,

I think you can try to contact Chris Goss, Rémi (RT) and Lino von Gartzen ; the first hand infos I have came from them (principally infos on losses sustained by KG77 and KG26 during the period june to august 1944).
I am very interested if you can give me infos on missions accomplished by your father during this period.

Regards

Claude

Re: 4 more Ju88 A-17 june 1944
 

Hi Claude,
thanks for your commendation. I'm already in contact with Harald since a while :-)

Greetings

Lino

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Hello Lino,

nice to speak to you ; I am afraid I can't give much help to Harald but I hope you can !

Greetings

Claude