Robert "Bazi"Weiss
 

I am looking for details of his aircraft. Does anyone know how many claims he made in the Bf109? I know it was the type he flew while in 10./JG54 therefore he may have made at least 29 claims with the G-6, but did he fly it at any other times?

Also I am sure his first three claims were in the FW190a-1/2 or 3 while with JG26 but did he fly the A-4 in JG54?

Robert "Bazi" Weiss
 

Hello Keith

I agree with you that most likely the majority of his claims recorded with the Bf 109 G-series were while he was serving with 10./JG 54. The only point of confusion is that it appears that I./JG 54 was flying both the Bf 109 G-2 and the Fw 190 A-series from November 1942 until March 1943 when finally the Bf 109 G-2 fighters were phased out and the unit converted entirely to Fw 190 A-4 and A-5 fighters. He did claim a number of victories with 1./JG 54 during this time so it may very well be that some of these were recorded while flying the Bf 109 G-2 and others with the Fw 190 A-4. I have no idea what types he was flying when he claimed specific victories nor indeed anything about aircraft that he flew during the time period in question. Hopefully someone else can add additional information.

Horrido!

Leo

Re: Robert "Bazi"Weiss
 

Cheers Leo!

I wonder if, as a quite senior pilot with extensive FW190 experience he would have been allocated the Fw190 rather than the Bf109?

Do you know what his job was in the two periods he was in 1./JG54? As you know he later became staffelfuhrer of 3./JG54 and 10./JG54 but I assume he had some position like adjutant with 1 staffel in early 1943 and then again briefly in the autumn of 1943?


Keith

Robert "Bazi" Weiss
 

Hello Keith

It is possible that he may have been assigned the Fw 190 A-4 rather than the Bf 109 G-2 but I did notice that I./JG 54 was equipped with the Bf 109 F-4 and Bf 109 G-2 in July 1942 as well as September 1942 so he must have had some time to become accustomed to those fighters before the conversion program began in November 1942. It is noteworthy, though, that he did not claim any victories on the Eastern Front until January 1943 so possibly he was indeed more in his element at the time flying the Fw 190 A-4. Who knows and this is pure speculation but interesting nevertheless. I must admit that I wonder if Wood is correct that he served briefly with 1./JG 54 in September 1943. We know he was serving as Staffelkapitän of 3./JG 54 from July 1943 and that by October 1943 he had been transferred as Staffelkapitän to 10./JG 54. Why would he be posted to 1./JG 54 for such a brief period and in what position if he had previously served as a Staffelkapitän? I honestly wonder if this information is in error and instead of 1./JG 54 it should read 10./JG 54? I suppose we will have to wait until a future release of the Jagdfliegerverbände series but I have my suspicions about this.

Horrido!

Leo

Re: Robert "Bazi"Weiss
 

Cheers Leo,

Sound reasoning, Leo. I noticed that some sources list him as staka of 11./JG54 (misprint from 10 obviously) and 6./JG54. as well!

As you say he must have gained a reasonable proficiency as a Messerschmidt pilot given his outstanding performance in 10./JG54.

Do you have any information about his training. Where and when?

Keith

Re: Robert "Bazi" Weiss
 

Bazi Weiss is an interesting person!

As 1. & 3. Staffel are in the same Gruppe, it sounds relatively reasonable to me that he was tranfered to 1. Staffel, maybe after the original Staffelkapitän was put out of action. Was there any such loss?

I can imagine that he also "liked" the 109, as he was pretty successfull in IV./JG54, which was exclusively equipped with 109s at that time, at least acc. to www.ww2.dk .

Robert "Bazi" Weiss
 

Hello guys

It is a reasonable assumption that he was indeed transferred to 1./JG 54 in September 1943 although I do know that occasionally there are mistakes in Wood's files due to the original films being very difficult to read. It is my understanding that the Staffelkapitän of 1./JG 54 at the time was Oberleutnant Kurt-Reinhard Fischer (33 victories, killed in action 8 December 1943) and as far as I can tell from the Rosipal JG 54 loss list there was no incident involving him at the time although of course that is not to say that he was temporary incapacitated by an illness or on leave. I did enter the co-ordinates of his two victories in question into the Luftwaffe Grid Map Converter and if I did this correctly both appear to have been claimed in the Kiev region which would place him with I./JG 54 rather than IV./JG 54. So very likely he was indeed with 1./JG 54 and my assumption was wrong although I would like to know the reason for his transfer. Perhaps his WASt file would clarify this and I am sure his training as well.

Horrido!

Leo

Re: Robert "Bazi"Weiss
 

The grid-info can be pretty confusing sometimes. Other claims from 1./JG54 in early October 43 are for example "SE Newel".

Concerning JG54 in the South:
Only II. Gruppe of JG54 was based in the South (Kiew etc) around 9'43-2'44, no other.
IV. Gruppe was there (Lemberg, then Romania) ca. April & May '44.

Re: Robert "Bazi"Weiss
 

Hi chaps,

Leo, what's a WASt file?

As for Weiss, I assume he replaced Teumer at the head of 10./JG54?
I was looking through his career and hadn't realised he began his JG54 career serving under Nowotny in 1 staffel and alongside Teumer and Dobele. Successful company indeed!

Another little wrinkle. The colour profile of FW190 A-5 (YELLOW 8) in the Osprey book states it was his machine he flew in June 1943 with 3./JG54. However I believe he was injured in May and not flying at this time, returning in July 1943. When did JG54 equip with the A-5 model?

Keith

Robert "Bazi" Weiss
 

Hi guys

You can find out more about the WASt at their web site www.dd-wast.de. Basically they hold the records of the personnel that served in the Wehrmacht that became casualties. Unfortunately it has become very difficult to receive information from this institution in the past years. It appears that I./JG 54 first took the Fw 190 A-5 on strength in March 1943. Many thanks for the information that I./JG 54 was not in the south at the time. I noticed that according to www.ww2.dk/air/jagd/jg54.htm the Gruppe was based at Poltawa (which I understood was in the Ukraine) from August 1943 to October 1943 while IV./JG 54 was based at Idriza (which I understood to be near Latvia) from September 1943 to December 1943.

Horrido!

Leo

Re: Robert "Bazi"Weiss
 

Guys, anyone that has the Japanese book 'Messerschmitt Bf 109' from the Military Aircraft series from Delta Publishing dated 1995 #1 on p.217 has a photo of, what is most likely, a Weiss Bf 109G-6 coded 'white 10'. The book may still be available --

Re: Robert "Bazi" Weiss
 

Ooops...that looks like an error on ww2.dk (or the original documents) at least in parts. The Poltava you mean was liberated by the Red Army on 22.09.1943.

Re: Robert "Bazi"Weiss
 

Hi chaps,

I may have a reason why Weiss was flying with 1./JG54 in late September. From the records it looks as though the man he replaced (temporarily) as Staka of 3 staffel, Franz Eisenach returned to duty in September 1943. Eisenach had been injured on July 8 and I assume Weiss was second-in-command.

On Eisenach's return he may have gone to temporaily replace Walter Nowotny who had been promoted to the staff? There don't seem to be anyother high scoring pilots at command level (except perhaps Gerd Loos?) making claims in 1 Staffel in this period. Karl-Reinhardt Fischer became staka around this time at which point presumably Weiss went to 10./JG54?

Regards

Keith

Robert "Bazi" Weiss
 

Hi guys

For the time being this is what I have been able to piece together:

1./JG 54

Nowotny was appointed Staffelkapitän of 1./JG 54 on 25 October 1942. He was appointed Gruppenkommandeur of I./JG 54 on 10 August 1943 whereupon Fischer took up the position of Staffelkapitän of 1./JG 54. He appears to have remained in this role until his death on 8 December 1943.

3./JG 54

Eisenach was appointed Staffelkapitän of 3./JG 54 on 17 April 1943. He was injured on 8 July following which Weiss took over Staffelkapitän of 3./JG 54 upon returning to combat duty. Eisenach returned to his position as Staffelkapitän of 3./JG 54 before the end of September 1943.

10./JG 54

Teumer was appointed Staffelkapitän of 10./JG 54 in July 1943. He was wounded on 3 September following which he was succeeded by Weiss.

Therefore, it would make sense that Weiss relinquished command of 3./JG 54 sometime after 11 September as he is listed as Staffelkapitän of 3./JG 54 according to loss list information regarding his wounding that day and we know that Eisenach had returned as Staffelkapitän of 3./JG 54 before the end of September 1943. Weiss was possibly transferred as Staffelkapitän to 10./JG 54 in September 1943 upon returning command of 3./JG 54 to Eisenach. On a related note, I noticed that various loss list entries for I./JG 54 indicate that the Gruppe was based at Schatalowka-Ost for the time period we are interested in. The only location that I have found for this airfield appears to be 55 kilometers south-southeast of Smolensk. I now believe that the co-ordinates given for his two victories with 1./JG 54 in September 1943 are in error as I entered these into the Luftwaffe Map Grid Converter and both are near Kiev. However, when I entered the co-ordinates of the victories prior to these two the results were indeed in the Central Sector of the Eastern Front. 10. and 11./JG 54 equipped with Bf 109 G-6 fighters at the time appear to have been based at Krasnogwardeisk and Siwerskaja respectively while 12./JG 54 equipped with Fw 190 A-4, A-5 and A-6 fighters was based at Schatalowka-Ost.

Horrido!

Leo

Re: Robert "Bazi"Weiss
 

Sounds cool Leo!

But another one, gentlemen and friends.... when did he become Oberleutnant? He appears to have been promoted on 1.3.1943 but left 6./JG26 an an Oberleutnant on 1.9.1942!

Was he a Leutnant when he joined JG26? He must have joined the Luftwaffe as a Flak Gunner in 1938/9? training as a pilot in 1939, and not 1940 surely?

regards

Keith

Robert "Bazi" Weiss
 

Hello Keith

My information is that he served with the Flak in 1939 and was selected to receive fighter pilot training in 1940. He was posted to 6./JG 26 as a Leutnant on 1 January 1941. I have no idea when he was promoted to Oberleutnant but it was before 12 January 1943 as he had that rank when he claimed his first victory on the Eastern Front with 1./JG 54 so it quite possibly was while with JG 26 in 1942.

Horrido!

Leo

Re: Robert "Bazi"Weiss
 

Hi Leo,

Yep, that's what I have too. He was probably promoted to Oberleutnant in the early Summer of 1942, after his claim in March and before that of May 31. I wonder if it had anything to do with his c.o. Obltn Otto Behrens being wounded 24 March? He would be senior to Wutz Galland, the only other candidate for acting staka.

salut,

Keith

Re: Robert "Bazi"Weiss
 

According to Henry L. De Zeng IV and Douglas G. Starkey:
WEISS, Robert (“Bazi”). (DOB: 21.04.20 in Baden near Wien/Austria). (RE, DKG). Fall 1939 entered
the Luftwaffe and assigned to Flak-Rgt. 22. 1940 trf to the Fliegertruppe for fighter pilot training.
01.01.41 trf to 6./JG 26. 01.04.41 promo to Lt. 1941-42 in 6./JG 26. c. 07.42 trf to 3./JG 54. 09.42
trf to 1./JG 54. 12.01.43 Oblt., 1./JG 54. 29.01.43 Oblt., 1./JG 54. 01.03.43 promo to Oblt.
07.03.43 Oblt., with 3./JG 54. 08.05.43 awarded Ehrenpokal. 12.07.43 Oblt., awarded DKG, I./JG
54. 08.07.43 appt Staka 3./JG 54 (to 15.09.43). 02.08.43 Oblt., 3./JG 54. 11.09.43 Oblt., 3./JG 54
WIA? - Fw 190 A-6 (White 8) damaged over Shatalowka. 15.09.43 appt Staka 1./JG 54 (to 28.09.43).
28.09.43 Oblt., appt Staka 10./JG 54 (to sometime after 31.12.43). 08.12.43 Oblt., 10./JG 54.
15.01.44 Oblt., 10./JG 54. 15.02.44 Oblt., 10./JG 54. 26.03.44 Oblt., awarded Ritterkreuz, Staka
3./JG 54. 01.05.44 promo to Hptm. 05.44 trf to III./JG 54. 21.07.44 Hptm., appt Kdr. III./JG 54 (to
29.12.44). 17.08.44 on furlough (to 17.09.44). 29.12.44 KIA – in Fw 190 D-9 (Black 10) shot down
by Spitfires of 331 Sqdn. over the Lingen/Ems area near Lengerich. 12.03.45 posthumously awarded
Eichenlaub, III./JG 54. Credited with 471 (some sources say over 500) combat missions and 121 air
victories.

Re: Robert "Bazi"Weiss
 

"Bazi" is a well-meant common designation used by Northern Germans for Austro-Bavarian people

Regards
RolandF

Re: Robert "Bazi"Weiss
 

Good evening,

I'm interested in Robert Weiss, too.
What is his correct spelling: Weiss or Weiß ?
Was the Spitfire kill on his last day credited to him as his #122 kill (and not #121?).

Michael

Re: Robert "Bazi"Weiss
 

On a linked topic....were any of Weiss claims for IL-2 identifiable as single-seat models? I assume that by 1943 the majority of IL-2 were 2-seaters with a rear-gunner,

regards

Keith

Re: Robert "Bazi"Weiss
 

Hi Keith, I hope this goes some way toward answering your question. Heck, it might even answer Knusel's

ROBERT WEISS

1st claim
21.9.41/1625
Spitfire VB
Etaples/5km NW of Berck sur Mer @ 2500m
315 sqn. Overclaiming, 2 losses: AB990/A, S/L S Pietraszkiewicz, forcelanded POW and AB927/S, F/O T Nowak KIA (versus total of 4 claims)

2nd claim
9.3.42/1640
Spitfire VB
4-6km W of Boulogne @ 300m
Claimed against 118 sqn? BL332 of F/O R W P McKenzie KIA plus one other cat.B damaged, pilot safe (other claim was by Rudolf Leuschel)

3rd claim
31.5.42/1942
Spitfire VB
Abbeville
485 sqn RNZAF. 2 losses: BL699, F/L M G Barnett and BM383, Sgt. S F Browne. Both evaded capture. S F Browne rose to be CO of 485 sqn and won a DFC (one other was cat.B damaged) (The other claim was by Muencheberg, who also got one from 302 sqn)

15th claim
14.2.43/1508
I-153
10km E of Pushkin (PQ 00414) @ 600m
71 IAP KBF. Starshiy Serzhant Evgeny Stepanovich Obraztsov returned WIA (initially reported as KIA)

23rd claim
20.3.43/1215
Curtiss P-40
PQ 00283 @ 4000m
Was this actually a LaGG-3 from 3 GIAP, 61 IABR, KBF? Certainly in combat around this time, no losses mentioned. (Overclaiming?)

24th-26th claims
22.3.43/0853, 0854 and 0855
3 x IL-2 Sturmoviks
Pushkin-Mga sector
943 ShAP suffered 4 losses this date, no further details (not even timings) known. Soviet losses for this day are known to be poorly documented, both 13 VA and VVS KBF

27th claim
24.3.43/0654
La-5 ("LaGG-5")
20km ESE of Mga (PQ 10332) @ 100m
Serzhant Grigory Andreyevich Uvarov of 12 IAE KIA this date. Was this him?

31st claim
13.4.43/1802
Pe-2
10km S of Leningrad (PQ 00154) @ 1500m
13 GBAP, 13 VA. At least 2 losses. Includes Maj. Yurchenko, navigator of one of the Eskadrilya. Posthumously awarded Gold Star of HSU

44th and 45th claims
17.8.43/0850 and 0853
2 x Pe-2s
18 KBAP, 202 BAD. 4 crews lost (versus 5 claims)

52nd -54th claims
23.8.43/1700, 1705, 1707
3 x Pe-2s
Gulf of Finland, N of Kunda
82 BAP. Four Pe-2s lost to fighters, one to flak. (Versus 5 claims)

55th claim 24.8.43/1704 IL-2 Sturmovik Gulf of Finland, N of Kunda Likely to be legitimate. Six known losses this date with eight gunners WIA

63rd and 64th claims
7.9.43/1640 and 1641
2 x IL-2 Sturmoviks
Yartsevo-Kirov sector
Possibly 70 GShAP, Anwar Khamidovich Mustafin and Alexey Dmitrievich Zhitenev (both POW), pilot Zaichikov KIA but gunner Sergey Andreyevich Barlet baled out POW. Pilots Stukalin and Aliyev both failed to return. Mustafin died in captivity, Barlet later escaped (the formation was definitely in combat with I./JG 51 about half an hour earlier. I seek to determine that this was the same combat)

67th claim
15.9.43/1610 LaGG-3 10km SE of Yelnya (PQ 35341) @ 1000m
1 VA or 240 IAD, 3 VA. 1 VA's La-5 losses include Ml.Lts . Petr Fedotovich Kovaletov, and Viktor Dmitrievich Semenov plus Lt. Ivan Vladimorovich Stadnichik and St.Serzhant Ivan Alekseevich Mironenko of 522 IAP, 215 IAD, 8 IAK all KIA

78th claim
8.12.43/1129 Pe-2 15km NE of Asen @ 4000m Probably 15 ORAP. Details pending

80th claim
29.12.43/1257
La-5
15km W of Gorodok (PQ 90423) @ 4000m
4 GIAP-KBF. St.Lt. Sergei Tigranovich Apinov KIA. Unsure if there was another loss (Karl Brill claimed as well)

88th and 89th claims
19.1.44/0945 and 1015
2 x IL-2 Sturmoviks
Novgorod sector
703 ShAP crew of Ml.Lt. Viktor Alekseevich Shcherbina and Pyotr Mikhailovich Stolyarov apparently carried out a fire taran near Novgorod this date (total of 5 claims, don’t know at this stage if there were any more losses)

100th claim
19.5.44/1317
P-38 Lightning
SE of Oschersleben
VIIIth and IXth Fighter Command. 20 losses. This one appears to be overclaiming.

101st claim
27.5.44/1218
B-17G-35-BO Flying Fortress
20km NW of Colmar @ 7500m
Was this 42-31975/TU- "Queen of the Air" of 510th BS, 351st BG? 1/Lt. Horace E Hopkins and 7 others all KIA, one crewman POW and one evaded capture. Location matches well, but timing is a little out

102nd claim
7.6.44/1345
Spitfire LF IX
3km SE of Caen (PQ UU5-1) @ low altitude
MK902 of 401 sqn RCAF. P/O Norman Marshall KIA - attributed by British to Flak (slight overclaim?)

104th claim
10.6.44/1421
P-47 Thunderbolt
Caen (PQ UU-5) @ 1500m
Likely 78th FG, 5 losses. 82nd FS lost: 42-76547/MX-X of Lt. Robert L Baker KIA. 83rd lost 43-25319/HL-S of Lt. Vincent J Massa KIA. 84th lost 42-25981/WZ-Z of Lt. Daniel T Loyd KIA and also 42-26031/WZ-W of Capt. William F Hunt KIA (acknowledged Bf109 victim), 42-26149/WZ-M of Lt. James F Casey POW (versus about 11 claims….)

105th and 106th claims
17.6.44/1903 and 1908
2 x Spitfire IXs
Capriquet airfield (PQ UT-2) @ 2500m
310 sqn. Overclaiming, no losses (versus 4 claims all up)

107th claim
22.6.44/2115
Mustang IA
Bernay/180 deg from Le Neubourg (PQ UB-69) @ 2000m
FD490 of 268 sqn. F/L V E Lewis WIA
108th and 109th claims
23.6.44/1650 and 1657
2 x Spitfire IXs
Caen Town (PQ UU-2) @ 1200m
229 sqn. Three losses: MA817/9R-P of F/L Ronald Harold Small RAAF KIA, (Serial unknown) of F/O D R Armstrong RCAF Safe and (Serial also unknown) of F/S Hayes damaged (Walter Enser inflicted the 3rd loss)

110th claim
27.6.44/1347
Spitfire IX
Trun/Vimoutiers (PQ AA-4) @ low altitude
MK776 of 411 sqn. F/O P Wallace (also claimed by Horst Nitz of 11./JG 2)

111th claim
4.7.44/1945
Spitfire IX
Isigny - Caen/Carentan-St. Lo (PQ TS-US) @ 3500m
602 "city of Glasgow" sqn. Two losses: ML252 of F/O J W Kelly and MH709(?) of F/S L H Challice. Both pilots KIA (slight overclaiming as Schleef and Kolodzie also claimed)

112th and 113th claims
12.7.44/1430 and 1433
2 x P-47D-20-RE Thunderbolts
Conches (PQ 05 Ost S/AB) @ 600m
366th FS, 358th FG. Overclaiming - only one loss: 42-76466/IA-M of Edward P Blevins KIA over Mesnil-sur-l'Estree (versus 6 claims all up…)

114th and 115th claims
23.7.44/1917 and 1918
2 x P-38J Lightnings
Arpajon/Limours, SW of Paris (PQ BE-4) @ 800m
485th FS, 370th FG. Includes P-38J-15-LOs 42-28348 of 2/Lt. Arthur L Green and 42-28411 of 1/Lt. Charles A Gaignat plus P-38J-10-LOs 42-67975 of 2/Lt. Carleton E Thompson and 42-67986 of 2/Lt. Lloyd C Weins. All KIA

116th claim
28.7.44/2014
B-26B-25-MA Marauder
Vimoutiers (PQ 04 Ost N/AA-1) @ 3000m
41-31805/AN- of 553rd BS, 386th BG. Lt. Frederick O Briggs and crew all KIA. Claimed lost in a mid air collision with an Fw190 (also claimed by Alfred Gross, slight overclaiming)

117th and 118th claims
6.8.44/1221 and 1222
2 x B-24 Liberators
Mantes – Pontoise
2nd BD, 8th AAF. Nine damaged but all made it home. Or misidentified Lancaster from raid intercepted by JG 26?

119th claim
8.8.44/1448
P-38J Lightning
Mortain (PQ BT-4) @ 2300m
Alfred Teumer claimed as well: these were likely two claims for 1/Lt. Horace A Plummer of 401st FS, 370th FG. Evaded capture

120th claim
28.9.44/1607
Spitfire PR XI
1km NW of Apelstedt/SE of Twistringen (PQ ES 8) @ 8000m
PL904 of 541 sqn. F/L McGuaig (McCuaig?) KIA

121st claim
6.11.44/1448
F-5B Lightning
into the sea near Norderney (American sources say Wilhelmshaven) (PQ 05 Ost S/GP-81) @ 1500m
42-67395 of 13th PS, 7th PRG. 1/Lt. Gerald J Budrevich KIA

122nd claim
29.12.44/1100
Spitfire IX
Gersten, 4km NW of Lengerich
PT704/FN-B of 331 sqn RNAF. Capt. Johan Kristoffer Bjorn Raeder KIA

Re: Robert "Bazi"Weiss
 

Good grief, man! :) Many thanks. I had given up all hope of getting details of Weiss' Eastern Front victories. I have a couple of questions. I have Weiss making eleven claims in the period 2nd until 14th but you seem to have a twelfth. My notes give claims for IL2s on 2nd (2), 3rd and 4th August. A Lagg-3 on 7th, an IL-2 on 12th, LA-5 on 13th and 14th (together with 3 IL-2). In addition I altered my notes from 3 Pe-2 on 23 August to 2 Pe-2 and an Airacobra (no memory of why). In 1944 I have him claiming a Mustang on 7 June 1944, and that his claim for a P-38 was an aircraft of 401FS/370 FG. Your comments or amendments much appreciated.

regards

Keith

Re: Robert "Bazi"Weiss
 

...the p-38 claim on 19.05.44

Re: Robert "Bazi"Weiss
 

Hi all

My little contribution

10/06/44=14 claims,overclaiming 180%

III/JG54=5
II/JG26=1
JG27=8

04/07/44=6 claims,overclaiming 200%

II/JG26=2
III/JG54=4
Weiss 1
Kolodzie 1
Schleef 1
Dortenmann 1

23/07/44=8 claims,overclaiming 100%

08/08/44
Claim's Weiss "Domfront"(Mortain)
As potential victim,I have:2Lt.Robert turner (howewer the time does not match,but the place yes)

06/08/44
Actually no B-24 involved,but bombing mission of the RAF against "L'Isle Adam"(Cassan's Wood,V1 storage depot)

German claims=18

III/JG26=7
II/JG3=2
III/JG1=1
I/JG5=1 (B-17???)
III/JG54=7

Britisch losses:
Lancaster of 97°Sqd,crashed on a house (4 burned residents)"Ermont-Eaubonne(Gambetta Street)
Lancaster of 83°Sqd,crashed on a school (St-Ouen-L'aumone)
Lancaster of 50°Sqd crashed on a building (Pierrelaye)
Halifax ? crashed

Several written off after their return to England (among these 1 Lancaster of 207°Sqd)

If someone has more specific information? about these.

Michel

Re: Robert "Bazi"Weiss
 

Good morning Gentlemen,

I have three German-laguage books that mention Robert Weiss/Weiß
Two spell him Weiß and one Weiss.
Does he have a known tombstone, that could clarify the spelling ?

Michael

Re: Robert "Bazi"Weiss
 

Weiss, not Weiß. According to the family grave in his hometwon Baden/Austria.

Re: Robert "Bazi"Weiss
 

Thanks for that.
I've changed it accordingly in my lists.
By the way I do not use the ß in my personal notes.
In Switzerland, where I have emigrated to, they do not use the ß either.