Rechlin - Aircraft Crash 1943: 2 Questions
 

I have a wehrpass to a former pilot of 7./KG 26 who was assigned to the Technisches Btl at Rechlin in mid 1941. He was killed in an aircraft crash on 10th August1943.
I have looked through the book German Secret Flight Test Centres To 1945 and can find no mention of anything that tallies in the lists at the end of the Rechlin chapter. Does anyone have any information with regards to an aircraft crash at Rechlin on that date?
Of course the crash may of happened elsewhere, maybe on a liaison flight in which case it wouldn't be listed I expect but thought that I'd ask anyway.

The second question is, what would a pilot in the Technisches Btl do? Would he be involved as a test pilot with German aircraft or captured Allied aircraft?

His rank & name is Oberfeldwebel Alfred Noetzel and he is listed in the Volksbund as dying at Mar.Laz Bodburg-Hau (while the Mar.Laz refers to a hospital I assume, the closest place I can find to a Bodburg-Hau is BEdburg-Hau in the far west of Germany) and the Volksbund mentions that his body remains buried in Russia, so why would a member of the Technisches Btl at Rechlin be in Russia? (Which I suppose makes it 3 questions!)

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10 8 43 BM 15.KG6 H Cleve b, N MSTO Ü,schl, HE111H-6 4859

Eltzner günther ofw bf
Konschak willi ofw bm
Nötzel alfred ofw f
Schulz bernhard ofw bs

Rémi

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Noetzel was killed in the crash. He is born in Ossafeld which I believe is Ostpreussen (now Russia). He is buried in Slawsk which is near Kaliningrad. So when he was killed he was reinterred in his hometown, now in Russia.

John

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Thank you very much Remi, that is great information - With the location being Cleve that would make it BEdburg-Hau I expect. Strange how Volksbund have him dying there but buried in Russia.
Would you be able to tell me what the abbreviations N MSTO Ü,schl mean (although I think schl will mean schule)?

As 15./KG 6 isn't mentioned in his Wehrpass and all final entries are still stamped by Rechlin, I wonder if he was loaned to that particular staffel on behalf of Rechlin as part of the process to develop & test new pathfinding/target marking methods as mentioned in Bomber Units...vol 1 by Doug Stankey & Henry L. de Zeng? Before being assigned to Rechlin in mid 1941 he was a pilot in 7./KG 26 which was itself part of a pathfinding Gruppen so he would of had some experience in the role.

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Thank you for the amplifying information John, that certainly makes sense.

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The very clever answer of John, has given you the why for Russia , seems you missed it , 15.KG6 was not a pathfinding unit, KG66 was nd by that unit not 15. wing, 15.KG6 was part of V.KG6 so A NOT EXISTING group of the KG6, maybe Nötzel hs been affected to this new unit nd made training for ops..., did he flown in operational unit before ???
Norm KG6 use Ju88/188 exclusively, 15. flew the He111 against England in autumn 42 nd to Stalingrad for Transport flights ??, or anything different,
With expressly need the Help of Jan Horn but seems those days is touring the bavarian castle, his girl friend choice, or aeron. Museum , his pers. favour, you hv to wait till end of this month

Rémi

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Aye, I was busy typing my other post and after submitting it noticed that John had kindly answered the crash/burial question.

As for 15./KG 6 - taken from Bomber Units Of The Luftwaffe vol 1:
Formation; testing; re-designation (August 1942 - April 1943) Formed at Chatres, France, from Erprobungskommando 17 with He-111 to develop and test new pathfinding and target marking methods.....renamed Stab I and 1./KG 66 at Chatres (30th April 1943).

As he served in 7./KG 26 during the time when III/KG 26 were retrained as pathfinders it would make sense if he was part of a pathfinding trials team from Rechlin (maybe his 2 years at Rechlin were centered around various pathfinding & target marking trials.)

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He flew on numerous operational flights from the start of the war with 6./KG 3 and then with 1./KG 28 from November 1939 and then from 16th March 1940 to 11th June 1941 with 7./KG 26. After that he went on a course and was then assigned to the Technisches Btl at Rechlin from 28th June 1941 to his death on the 10th August 1943. The last operation flight date entered in the campaign pages of the Wehrpass is for 11th June 1941.

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Thanks to Larry de Zeng who has provided me with some great information, including that Oberfeldwebel Alfred Noetzel, Technisches Bataillon Rechlin, worked in Amt E4 (Navigations-und Funkgerät) at Rechlin. He installed and tested airborne electronic navigation and radio equipment. Technical personnel from Amt E4 were back and forth all the time between Rechlin and 15./KG 6 and later KG 66.

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In relation to this wehrpass does anyone have any idea what unit 3.L.P.F Tilsit is (as seen on the attached scan)? It is an entry dated for 1934/35 and he was there for 6 months.

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Is there anything said about his tour in Stalingrad, if for transport proved that at the time they need every man even those with the greatest experience in other fields, if for nav. purpose quite new news

Rémi

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I haven't been able to find anything out so far. The listings in his campaign pages only go up to June 1941 so that is a dead end with regards to Stalingrad. Maybe he was one of those not used?

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I have been have to find out what 3.L.P.F is, except that it isn't L.P.F but L.P.H = Landespolizei Hundertschaft.

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This thread is very intersting to me, as I'm researching the history of E'Stelle Rechlin for decades.
Firstly: The loss report that I am aware of quotes Günter Elsner (not Eltzner), Wilhelm Konschak, and Alfred Noetzel (all killed), but not Ofw. Bernhard Schulz) Where does this name / info come from?

Secondly there were two further persons in that aircraft, both working in Abteilung F (Department F) from Rechlin: Dr. Herzog and Dr. Theodor Netzer (both injured) You can find this loss and the persons involved in our book "German Secret Flight Test Centres to 1945, on page 124.

I'm in contact with the son of another person (Dr. Owczarek, also from Abtlg. F) being aboard the He 111, who survived the crash with minor injuries. Due to whatever reasons he is not mentioned in the official crash report, although he was also treated at the hospital at Bedburg-Hau. This contact was established only after our book was published.

Just some words about "Technisches Bataillon" Rechlin. This was one of the military units at Rechlin airfield, supporting the flight test duties of Erprobungsstelle Rechlin by doing e.g. aircraft maintenance, installation of test and measuring equipment, modifications asf. It was made up of several "Technische Kompanien" and a "Stabskompanie". Soldiers of the Technische Kompanien also served as flight crew members, mainly for wireless communication (Bordfunker) and technician (Bordwart), sometimes also as pilots.
They could work for any of the departments (Abteilungen) of the E'Stelle Rechlin, not only for dept. E4.

I'd be very interested to have a scanned copy of Alfred Noetzel Wehrpass for our archive at Rechlin,as we are collecting as much documents and data about the staff of the E'Stelle and airfield (Fliegerhorst) Rechlin.
Thank you for your support.

Chr. Regel
Luftfahrttechnisches Museum Rechlin

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Hello Christoff,

Schulz come from the GQM returns , but as is missing one another...

Rémi

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Schulz was member of the 1.KG6, plane wore the CC+SZ STK

Rémi