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codeswart 9th September 2010 17:27

which Me.109 /which LWpilot downed on Aug 17-1943/Beverloo,Belgium
 
A Me-109 crashed at Beverlo (Genemeer),Belgium,± 11.30 p.m. on Aug.17-1943.
The pilot (possible JG26 FF)bailed out and landed near the 'Baltische Kamp' Kriegsgefangenenlager near Beringen, Belgium.

I'm looking for the name of the pilot.
Which Me-109 crashed there , that time of day ? ( Werk#? could lead me to the name))

Thanks for any info or lead,

Co.

ClinA-78 9th September 2010 18:14

Re: which Me.109 /which LWpilot downed on Aug 17-1943/Beverloo,Belgium
 
Hello,

Perhaps Ofw. Heinz Kemethmüller (9./JG 26) bailed out wounded near Leopoldsburg from his Bf 109 G-4 WNr.19216, White 6.
Best regards

ClinA-78

Co de Swart 9th September 2010 20:38

Re: which Me.109 /which LWpilot downed on Aug 17-1943/Beverloo,Belgium
 
Thanks for message.
Though it gives not the name that I hoped for.

I'll narrow my question: ( www.mighty8thaf.preller.us/gallery/OurBaybee )
While co-downing a B-17 (42-30274) on Aug.17-1943 over Mol, Belgium 7/JG26 FF Werner Kraft was wounded by the victim's gunfire and at ± 11.30 crashlanded his Me-109 'somewhere' in the area.
The "Ehrenbuch JG26" in the rel.report gives a non-existing crashlocation and up till now only the crashsite of an unknown Me-109 , named in my first mail (Beverlo/Leopoldsburg) at the matching time, came in the picture.

If anyone should know more about the possible crash-landingslocation of FFWerner Kraft that time of that day in 1943, he's welcomed to give a reaction on this board
Thanks i.a.
Co.

Khorat 10th September 2010 07:04

Re: which Me.109 /which LWpilot downed on Aug 17-1943/Beverloo,Belgium
 
Kraft is reported near Hasselt - Waterloo, plane damaged 80% and Kraft wounded, reason was airbattle with B-17 - sadly no detailled informations.

khorat

ClinA-78 10th September 2010 07:55

Re: which Me.109 /which LWpilot downed on Aug 17-1943/Beverloo,Belgium
 
Hello,

I am always 'puzzled' by this particular crash location (?) : (between?) "Hasselt-Waterloo" which is quite a long way. Would Hasselt be the place of combat and Waterloo the crashlanding place?
Moreover, I have Kraft's Bf 109 G-6 reported lost near Loenhout or Beverloo, so the quest continues.
Do you have investigated the crashsite at Genemeer? As you find 7,9 mm or 13 mm bullets it would mean Bf 109 G-4 or G-6; so we can 'narrow' the ID.

Best regards

ClinA-78

Alain57 10th September 2010 10:46

Re: which Me.109 /which LWpilot downed on Aug 17-1943/Beverloo,Belgium
 
Hello ,

About Kraft i have Beverlo ( Leopoldsburg ) as crashsite.But there 's also a rumour that he came down near Loenhout ( postalcode 2990 )

Greets
Alain57

Co de Swart 10th September 2010 11:03

Re: which Me.109 /which LWpilot downed on Aug 17-1943/Beverloo,Belgium
 
Thanks so far for co-thinking and research. The "Ehrenbuch JG26" gives as crashlocation 'Viorswlag/ Holland'
This seems to be some error.
Communities in the great Mol area give this location as 'unknown', also in 1943

Geflogene Bf109 is G-6 Werknr. 19466, T.Z. gelbe 11.

Crashlocation in Holland is more than unlikely, Kraft 9/JG 26, later 7/JG26, in onely short time was taken to the Marine Lazarett in Beverlo/ Leopoldsburg, so is known. Travelingpossibilities in 1943 exclude that.

So the search has to go on.
Any help welcome.

Co.

Co de Swart 10th September 2010 14:27

Re: which Me.109 /which LWpilot downed on Aug 17-1943/Beverloo,Belgium
 
Alain: What's the source for Beverlo being Kraft's crash-site ?

Co

Alain57 10th September 2010 17:42

Re: which Me.109 /which LWpilot downed on Aug 17-1943/Beverloo,Belgium
 
Hello Co,
I got this info years ago out of of a datebase , but i don't have no idea where it came from .
Alain57

Co de Swart 11th September 2010 19:04

Re: which Me.109 /which LWpilot downed on Aug 17-1943/Beverloo,Belgium
 
Khorat" Which is the source for your info on Kraft's crashsite ?

Thanks i.a. for reply

Co

Khorat 12th September 2010 08:15

Re: which Me.109 /which LWpilot downed on Aug 17-1943/Beverloo,Belgium
 
sorry I forgot - source is GQM files

khorat

rob van den nieuwendijk 14th September 2010 20:09

Re: which Me.109 /which LWpilot downed on Aug 17-1943/Beverloo,Belgium
 
Hello all,

On 17 Aug 43 Fw Werner Kraft of 9./JG 26 took off for "Bekämpfung viermotoriger anglo-amerikanischer Kamfflugzeuge". He was shot down and badly wounded by "Bomberabwehr nach Kabinentreffer". Baled out and was taken to Marinelazarett Beverlo. He was wounded at his head and hand. Crash time 11.31 hours. Crashplace: 1 km east of Viorswlag/Holland near Belgian border. He flew Me 109G-6, w/nr 19466, markings "gelbe 11". Brach: 100%. Source: notes taken from NVM.

Best regards,
Rob


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