Do 215 sold to Russia
 

Can anyone provide some details on Do 215B a/c sold to Russia?

Regards,
Pawel

Re: Do 215 sold to Russia
 

Yes, they were sent on 25 and 26 april 1940 and arrived on 28 april. No identities known. They are sometimes referred to as Do 215B-3s, but I have also seen Do 215A in original documents (have not investigated the correct version).

Lennart Andersson

Re: Do 215 sold to Russia
 

Thank you for this. There is real mess concerning Do 215 designations all around. The only sure things (judging from Handbuch and KBA) are configurations for Do 215B-1 and B-4; also I remember seeing at least one entry for Do 215B-2 in loss listings.

Regards,
Pawel

Re: Do 215 sold to Russia
 

Hello Pawel,

Some years ago I assembled all Do215's I could find to put these into a database: I have 2 Do215's that were sold to the USSR, unfortunately the Werkenummer are unknown to me.

IF we could lay a hand on the Namentliche Verlustmeldungen from the Aufkl.Gr. ObdL and IF these do contain the Werkenummer from the early losses of this unit, we could fill in many gaps in our knowledge about the Do215. Only then, we can estimate which Werkenummer the Do215's had that went to the USSR. So far, I do not know whether someone is researching the history of this unit, do you?

All the best, Marcel Hogenhuis - Study Group Venlo Airfield in WW-2

Re: Do 215 sold to Russia
 

Hello Marcel,

this is all information on Do-215 you can obtain from WASt-reports from (F) ObdL:

07.03.1941 1. Staffel 0068 T5+BC
11.08.1941 1. Staffel 0075 T5+LC
11.07.1942 2. Staffel 0004 T5+NM
11.05.1940 2. Staffel ? VB+KC
10.07.1940 2. Staffel 0031 VB+KM
31.07.1940 2. Staffel 0034 VB+KN
21.09.1940 2. Staffel 0023 VB+KK
16.07.1941 3. Staffel 0062 L2+CS
23.07.1941 3. Staffel 11 L2+AS
05.08.1941 3. Staffel 0024 L2+ES
28.09.1941 3. Staffel 0045 T5+EL
18.10.1941 3. Staffel 0063 T5+LL
19.11.1941 3. Staffel 0079 T5+BL
05.06.1940 4. Staffel 022 G2+HH
18.09.1940 4. Staffel 0038 G2+KH

HTH

Carl

Re: Do 215 sold to Russia
 

Helo Marcel, with kind additions from Carl and assuming around 100 Do 215 were built (or converted) - last W.Nr. known is 0102 - I still have around 40% of W.Nr. missing :) Would you share your database for comparison?

Kind regards,
Pawel

Re: Do 215 sold to Russia
 

Hello Pawel,

Of course I do! It's now 01.30 so if you don't mind I will get asleep in a few minutes and trying to send that MS Excel file tomorrow.

All the best, Marcel

Re: Do 215 sold to Russia
 

Carl, so the exact subtype designation is missing in those files?

Kind regards,
Pawel

Re: Do 215 sold to Russia
 

Pawel, you're right:

Only a single report gives the subtype as "B-4", all others are only a plain "215".
:(
Carl

Re: Do 215 sold to Russia
 

Carl, could you please tell which one was a B-4?

Kind regards,
Pawel

Re: Do 215 sold to Russia
 

Carl, I also have some trouble with entry - 07.03.1941 1. Staffel 0068 T5+BC - according to data available to me the date is 07.08.1941, aircraft was missing in Russia in Roslawl-Brjansk area which makes August 1941 more probable date.

Kind regards,
Pawel

Re: Do 215 sold to Russia
 

Pawel:

As for WNr. 0068 your information is correct. I simply missread a badly printed "8" as a "3". August 1941. Sorry :(

The a/c with the subtype is 0004. Subtype and tactical code are not from the WASt-report itself, but from an attached "Suchmeldung" (request for searching).

Carl

Re: Do 215 sold to Russia
 

Somewhat unrelated Do 215 -question

During Summer 1941 a Do 215 -kette from Aufkl.Gr.(F) Ob.d.Lw was based at Luonetjärvi, Finland. Photos exists of T5+AC and T5+GH (one source says +HH).

The interesting thing about the Do 215 T5+AC is that there are remains of German civil register on the wing upper and undersides. The register has been:
D-A_A_ where both of the letters "_" have curved underside (= C,J,O,S,U). One interpretation given is D-AJAJ and it is indeed possible that at least the last letter does have straight right arm and nothin on left (=J). Still I am not convinced, D-A_AC might also be possible (overpainting the first letters would have produced the kennzeichen T5+AC).

Does there exist any source to verify the German civil registrations from this period?


Thanking in advance,
Kari

Re: Do 215 sold to Russia
 

Hello Kari,

I remember faintly that before the war a Do215 won an air speed competition somewhere (air show Zürich?), perhaps this Do215 had a civil registration in those pre-war days? Perhaps W.Green's "Warplanes of the Third Reich" gives additional info...

Marcel Hogenhuis

Re: Do 215 sold to Russia
 

Marcel, you are probably referring to Do 17MV1 D-AELE

Regards,
Pawel

Re: Do 215 sold to Russia
 

Kari, would D-ADAC fit? luftwaffe-experten.org gives D-ADAC as one of Do 215s, no sorce, no further information.

Regards,
Pawel

Re: Do 215 sold to Russia
 

Hello!

I think D-ADAC might indeed be the one! In the photo the letter after first A is seen in such an angle (starborad rear quarter shot) that the lower left corner is not well defined. Letter D is possible. Should get a real photo in my hands to check this out.

So thanks a lot! And to think that I DID check the LEMB site for civil registrations before posting... Perhaps optician could be of help.


Gratefully,
Kari