Quick German translation question -
 

Überschlag - overturned (as in flipped over on its backside) or overshot (like in overshot runway)? I've seen both interpretations, which is correct? Thx, Jim P.

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The best solution would be to give the complete sentence in which the word is used. The most likely translation would be the first, the aircraft flipped over. To overshoot a runway would be translated as zu weit kommen.

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Yep, the first one!

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Hmmm, maybe it´s better to say "rollover", especially when you talk of an aircraft.
Flipped over means "umdrehen" and in my opinion that word is really too kind for such an accident, right ? ;o)

But like Sylvester Stadler said before - for correct translation you must see the word in context.

Greetings - JohnnyB

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Überschlag bei Landung is quite common in damage/loss reports. I've always understood it to be "overturned when landing."

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Hi Nick,

an aircraft flying a turn - means a Kehre or simply umdrehen - like a person turns around to come back. Overturned you can say when talking about a car-accident. I want say rollover is the translation for Überschlag.

The car overturned
The aircraft rolled over

Anyway, I´m not a translator and my english really isn´t perfect. Maybe here are some people who have more experience in words for aircraft accidents to tell us the right word ?

Regards, JohnnyB

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from German Military Dictionary 1944

Uberschlag m loop (Avn).

uberschlag- auf dem Boden ground
loop (Avn).
uberschlagen, sich to tumble (pro
jectile); to roll over (Avn); to turn
over (vehicles).
uberschlag uber den Flugel barrel
roll (Avn).

so Überschlag bei Landung would make it a ground loop (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_loop_%28aviation%29

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Hi Schnautzer,


I think this is incorrect, from my experience with German texts a groundloop is a sudden and violent swing in the horizontal plane (around the top or yaw axis), whereas an "Überschlag" is a turnover in the vertical plane (around the lateral axis). A sort of negative looping on the ground, so to speak...

Regards,

Marcel

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I've always thought it was 'overturned when landing' as well, but as I have been progressing through the Schulen losses, I've come across entries I had from other sources which said in English 'overshot runway'. Since I'm not particularly fluent in German, I wanted to confirm that my interpretation (after all these years!) was correct. I actually came across an entry for an 'Überschlag bei Notlandung' tonight. 'Overshot' definitely makes no sense in that context. Thanks guys. Jim P.

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Hi can anybody help with these two words.

Platzflug =

Verbandsflug =

Kindest regs,
Steve.

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Steve

Platzflug comes from Flugplatz = airfield. It means a quick hop by various reasons (maintenance, engine test, other tests, pilot training or other curcumstances, even private reasons e.g.), not far away from the home airfield (=Flugplatz)and in the most cases not operationally.

Verbandsflug means flying in a formation. In the German military terminology, a Verband (more then one independet acting military organisation like two Gruppen and more of a KG e.g.) are a Verband. The best example would be a USAAF CBW. When they took off for a target and finally finished the assembly in the ordered formation, the units were on a Verbandsflug to the target.

Best regards

Horst Weber

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Hi Steve,

As I understand it:

Platzflug = Flying in the vicinity of an airfield, for example flying circuits and practising landings or checking something or somebody out

Verbandsflug = Flying in a formation

Best regards,

Marcel

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Platzflug = traffic circuit

Verbandsflug = formation flying

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Gentlemen, many thanks for your precise translations, very helpful indeed.

Kindest regs,
Steve.