a JG53 Bf109E with an unknown emblem
 

Hi there,

these two pictures (only one in fact but I did cut it in two parts) come from a not so old eBay auction.
We can see what it seems to be a Bf109E from JG53. Below the canopy there is an emblem I'm not able to identify:
Can you?
Can you read and translate the back text too?
Thanks for your help.

Best regards, Franck.

Re: a JG53 Bf109E with an unknown emblem
 

Hello,

no idea for the Bf 109 but for the writing on the back i would say:
"Die kleine "Mausi" mit 26 Abschüssen.
Belgien, Sept. 1940"
Roughly translated: " The little "Mouse" with 26 kills.
Belgium, ..."

All the best

Norbert

Re: a JG53 Bf109E with an unknown emblem
 

Hmmm,
Thanks Norbert, that's the reason the seller is refering to Galland!... But of course it's not. I was reading "Hansi"...
What's the sign above the "u/n"? not an Umlaut?

But a Mouse? why not, since this emblem remind me a cat we can find in other units.

Anyway if it's a JG53 plane (Yes I see a shadow not a red band around the cowling - may be the "shadow is just in my mind) who got 26 victories in September 1940 in JG53?

Franck.

Re: a JG53 Bf109E with an unknown emblem
 

The sign above the Sütterlin "u" is a curved horizontal penstroke to distinguish the Sütterlin "u" from the Sütterlin "n". "Umlaut" "ä" "ö" or "ü" are indicated by two small vertical strokes, originally signifying a small Sütterlin "e". The two dots of nowadays German "Umlaute" are remnants of these two vertical strokes.
So these Sütterlin "Umlaute" are in fact two letters: "ae", "oe" and "ue".
(Something out of the history bag)

Regards

Roland

Re: a JG53 Bf109E with an unknown emblem
 

Sehr gut,

hence Mausi? Do you agree with Norbert reading?

Re: a JG53 Bf109E with an unknown emblem
 

Hans-Karl Mayer.

Re: a JG53 Bf109E with an unknown emblem
 

"Mausi". Definitely.
The first letter is a Sütterlin "M".:)

Regards

Roland

Re: a JG53 Bf109E with an unknown emblem
 

Not "if" Franck. It is a JG 53 plane. The band on the cowling can't be a shadow. Look to the left on the wall and the ground. There is no shadow. Only the shadow from the prop and the cowling. :)

Re: a JG53 Bf109E with an unknown emblem
 

Oi veh - I work IT for a hospital - I think I've finally found the script that doctors have learned to use......

Re: a JG53 Bf109E with an unknown emblem
 

This is a very nice and clean style of old German style hand writing. Most are much worse, very hard to decypher (for me at least).

Re: a JG53 Bf109E with an unknown emblem
 

Hello All,

Thanks for your answers...
I did look already for Hans-Karl Mayer but I thought his history is a little bit unclear. http://aircrewremembrancesociety.com...anPilotsM.html
& http://www.luftwaffe.cz/mayerhk.html

The Kracker list gives us three planes: Bf 109E-3 "White 2", Bf 109E-4/B(10/40), Bf 109E-7 Wk # 4138 "White 8" (9/40 Etaples, lost 10/40) and the is - may be -another "White 8" here: http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=6426 I said "another" since the white 8 refered cited in the Kracker list have been lost in Channel!

Now: I liked "Hansi" because of his first name -one of - was Hans. He is more reknown to be "Mayer-ast".... than "Mausi"

Do we known if he had a personnal emblem on his plane?
We can see sort of a "White 8/2 or 9" some closed number on fuselage...

Cheers, Franck.

Re: a JG53 Bf109E with an unknown emblem
 

Your wish is one side of the medal, the reality of Sütterlin the other. This is more than clear an "u" ... have a look on the "n" in the word before ("kleine"). Sorry ... it's "Mausi". An second ... the article "die" doesn't fit with "Hansi" (should be "der" ... I know German isn't an simple language).

Best wishes
Rasmussen

Re: a JG53 Bf109E with an unknown emblem
 

Hello dear Rasmussen,

I understood, that's the reason I wrote "I LIKED"; I didn't say I didn't accepted "Mausi"... And, by the way I said nothing concerning german difficuties; I was always far better in german than in English, long time ago.

Well, this emblem? I still got no comments about what we see under the canopy.

Cheers, Franck.

Re: a JG53 Bf109E with an unknown emblem
 

It is definitely "Die kleine Mausi...". Otherwise it would mean "Der kleine Hansi...". That´s wrong, because "Die..." is easily readable.
Believe me. I´m one of the last human beings who have learned Sütterlin thoroughly at school;)

Regards

Fran