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ouidjat 19th December 2010 20:26

19/12 - Bf109s on eBay & something else
 
Hello,

1. http://cgi.ebay.de/2x-Foto-Abgesturz...item3a619018ae
2. http://cgi.ebay.de/Dt-Jagdflugzeug-J...item3a61905002
3. http://cgi.ebay.de/TOP-Foto-ME109-Ke...item3a618e5bd0
Bf 109 F-2, PB+SS, WNr.8940
4. http://cgi.ebay.de/Foto-Me-109-/1605...item255fd05dd7
5. http://cgi.ebay.de/Foto-Flugzeug-Leg...item43a3f80712
Lt. Werner Ursinus. Different picture from the one found last week... and less blured!
6. http://cgi.ebay.de/Orig-Foto-WL-Luft...item3a61909915
7. http://cgi.ebay.de/Foto-Messerschmit...item3a6190f3fa
8. http://cgi.ebay.de/Orig-Foto-Flugzeu...item230caa323c
9. http://cgi.ebay.de/Orig-Foto-Bruchla...item230caa33f0
10. http://cgi.ebay.de/Orig-Foto-Flugzeu...item230caa7569
11. http://cgi.ebay.de/Orig-Foto-Flugzeu...item230caa7b99

one Emblem
12. http://cgi.ebay.de/Foto-Flugzeug-Mal...item3a619038b5

Regards, Franck.

Falcon 19th December 2010 21:07

Re: 19/12 - Bf109s on eBay & something else
 
Hi Franck,

nice collection again. :)

#1 -the first photo is not a Bf 109. Possible Bf 110 or He 111 engine?

ouidjat 19th December 2010 21:16

Re: 19/12 - Bf109s on eBay & something else
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Falcon (Post 119286)
Hi Franck,

nice collection again. :)

#1 -the first photo is not a Bf 109. Possible Bf 110 or He 111 engine?

You mean the first picture under link #1? No it's not a Bf109 engine.

Thanks, Franck.

ouidjat 20th December 2010 00:02

Re: 19/12 - Bf109s on eBay & something else
 
#8 & 9,
remember the following picture from a former ebay auction:

ouidjat 20th December 2010 01:04

Re: 19/12 - Bf109s on eBay & something else
 
Hii there,

Back to #1, as pointed by Falcon. Bf109F, 1./JG51, summer 1941, in Russia. For example the other side:
http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=4791

Number 2.!
9./JG2:
"Gelbe 5"! Let's say Dark Yellow 5. 1°!
Beautiful narrow black cross; 2°
Clear fin with a dark rectangle and some victory bars at horizontal tailplane level; 3°
One clear spot at ~ tip; 4°
"Yellow 5" painted on rectangular washed camouflaged area; 5°

my only problem is that emblem on nose... to conclude it's WNr.5274 flown by Machold.
After a while I decided to correct the former sentence:
In fact, this emblem is not a problem, since the plane did wear a White 15 in 1./JG2, still with Machold, AND the emblem! Hence I am going to conclude that YES it's Machold plane and some colour profiles around there are wrong!
Indeed, doesn't mean he was flying the plane when this belly landing occured; doesn't mean, too, he wasn't.

Cheers, Franck.

ouidjat 20th December 2010 10:47

Re: 19/12 - Bf109s on eBay & something else
 
Hello,

... I forgot one important point: we can see - even READ IT - the overpainted White 5, from the former White 15 this plane did wear in 1./JG 2, in front of the Yellow(!) 5.

Regards, Franck.

Bertrand H 21st December 2010 20:40

Re: 19/12 - Bf109s on eBay & something else
 
I think you are right Franck. And a color photo of this dark yellow 5 over a nearest rectangular washed camouflaged area published page 247 of the excellent book on JG2 (volume 1) by Erich Mombeeck.

bertrand

ouidjat 21st December 2010 22:08

Re: 19/12 - Bf109s on eBay & something else
 
Bonsoir Bertrand,

Thank you; I started to think no one had a minimum interest with that "thing"...
Mr. Claes Sundin did good interprating the colour number as being -better use the right word - brown!

May be a little scan of the picture you are talking about, Hmmm?

Bonnes fêtes Bertrand.

Regards, Franck.

ouidjat 17th March 2011 10:00

Re: 19/12 - Bf109s on eBay & something else
 
Hi gents,

coming back on that "Braune 5" - here is Prien comment in JFV, Teil 4.I, page 142.

Though I don't understand the full sentence in its details, I think this confirms my guess... Am I wrong?

Regards, Franck.

Rob Romero 18th March 2011 02:34

Re: 19/12 - Bf109s on eBay & something else
 
It seems the auction on the Machold plane has expired and is no longer visible. Could someone repost the picture?

Thanks

ouidjat 18th March 2011 10:39

Re: 19/12 - Bf109s on eBay & something else
 
Here it is...

ouidjat 22nd March 2011 08:55

Re: 19/12 - Bf109s on eBay & something else
 
Hello Rob,

Did like it???

ouidjat 3rd April 2011 13:00

Re: 19/12 - Bf109s on eBay & something else
 
Hi,

This is it: http://luftwaffeinprofile.se/Werner%20Machold.html

Enjoy it.

Franck.


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