Wanted: Crashed Enemy A/C Reports Germany & Denmark
 

Dear all,

I'm looking for the so called Crashed Enemy Aircraft Reports (describing captured/damaged LW aircraft found on former LW airfields) for Germany (Region Dedelstorf/Wesendorf) and Denmark. (I'm especially after I./KG66 aircraft.)


I would also be grateful if somebody could help me with the following questions regarding these reports:

1. Do all Crashed Enemy Aircraft Reports Serial Numbers (S/N) 236 through 269 from AIR40-2858 contain a Report, or are some Serial Numbers non-existent (i.e. no report)? (In the former case I'm lacking Reports S/N 237, 238, 242, 245, 246, 247, 252, 253, 254 and 268)
2. Are there similar American reports? (If so, titles, reference numbers, archive locations if possible)
3. Did the British also make Crashed Enemy Aircraft Reports from German airfields captured by the Americans?
4. Did the British and Americans share this info with each other (combined reports?) or was it every nation for itself?

TIA and best regards,

Marcel

Re: Wanted: Crashed Enemy A/C Reports Germany & Denmark
 

Hi Marcel.

Nothing of this sort exists from Denmark. Only a list with types on the different airfields.

Junker

Re: Wanted: Crashed Enemy A/C Reports Germany & Denmark
 

Hi Jörn, so no remarks about markings or W.Nr.? Does the list at least contain subtypes (Ju 88 S-3, Ju 188 E or A, hopefully?)?

Regards,

Marcel

Le Culot (East) or Gosselies-Charleroi airfields
 

Just noticed that one of my pictures with a destroyed Ju 88 is captioned as possibly Le Culot (east) or "Goslies (Gosselies)-Charleroi" airfield...

Does anybody perhaps have a Crashed Enemy Aircraft Report on these airfields?

TIA, Marcel

Re: Wanted: Crashed Enemy A/C Reports Germany & Denmark
 

Msg in your personal box
Amic, Dan

Re: Wanted: Crashed Enemy A/C Reports Germany & Denmark
 

Hello Marcel,

Are you willing to post your picture of Ju 88 on the Belgian airfield for ID?
I am not aware of any CEAR for wrecks on those airfields.

Best regards

ClinA-78

Re: Wanted: Crashed Enemy A/C Reports Germany & Denmark
 

Hi Clint,

Apart from making posting the pictures work, they actually belong to James V. Crow and I don't know if I'm allowed to post them. You can find one of them on page 253 of Barry Rosch's "Luftwaffe Codes, Markings & Units 1939-1945". (The other two photos show the aircraft from the side and from the front.)

The aircraft in question is Ju 88 S-3 "Z6+HL" of 3./KG66. (The aircraft code is visible on the tail in small white letters, just above the swastika. The aircraft letter "H" is painted in white on the leading edge between the engine and the fuselage.) According to Crow the W.Nr. is 330273. (Not visible in the photos, but maybe the GI who took them recorded it?) The aircraft is heavily damaged: The rear of the fuselage was torn of the rest of the aircraft just behind the wings and is lying at an angle to it. Because the rear has gone, the forward part of the fuselage is heavily leaning over backwards, the legs of the Main Landing Gear are twisted and have no wheels anymore. Engines with nacelles are gone, you can only see where they had been attached to the wings. Cockpit looks like it has been blown up, you can only see the bottom of the cockpit floor with the bomb aimer's and pilot's window panels.

So, no problem regarding the ID of the aircraft itself, but what it's doing at Le culot or Charleroi (if correct) is beyond me.... I was hoping that the CEAR could confirm the location...

Regards,

Marcel

Re: Wanted: Crashed Enemy A/C Reports Germany & Denmark
 

Sadly no:-(.

Junker

Re: Wanted: Crashed Enemy A/C Reports Germany & Denmark
 

Hello Marcel,

Is it this Ju 88?

Best regards

Re: Wanted: Crashed Enemy A/C Reports Germany & Denmark
 

The following K.G.66 aircraft landed in Norway on May 5, 1945:
At Sola airfield (Stavanger):
Ju 88S-3 W.Nr. 330783, 330570, 330942, 330684, 330171, 330924, 331388, 330158, 330936 and 331385.
Ju 88G-6 W.Nr. 620426, 621421, 622307 and 622346.
Ju 188D-2 W.Nr. 150009, 150586 and 151000.
Ju 188S-5 W.Nr. 150576.
At Kjevik airfield (Kristiansand):
Ju 88S-3 330719.

Re: Wanted: Crashed Enemy A/C Reports Germany & Denmark
 

Ju188S-5 New bird ??

Rémi

Ju 88 S-3 picture
 

Hi Clint,

Here it is, you can see the aircraft code above the swastika so it's not the one on the front page of your book.

BTW: Is the "Le Culot" book any good? Does it contain photos of Ju 88s (wrecks or not..) or lists of aircraft found on the airfield?

Regards,

Marcel

Thanks!
 

Andy Mitchell and Dan Gilberti,

Thanks a lot for your generous help! Much appreciated.

Marcel

Ju 188 S-5
 

Hi Rémi,

I assume that it's just a mistake made by the British. I'm not aware that such a subtype existed and I never found any evidence (photos, accounts) from I./KG66 veterans that they ever had such a type. As can be shown from the list by Seaplanes (Thank you, BTW!), I only knew that at this stage of the war they flew the Ju 188 D-2.

But maybe experts like Ed North and Artie Bob can enlighten us about this aircraft by judging from the W.Nr.?

Re: Wanted: Crashed Enemy A/C Reports Germany & Denmark
 

Featured in 'Le Culot' book :

-Ju 87 WNr. 412211
-Ju 88 G WNr. 620742 G9+FT
-FW 190 A-8 WNr. 731730 (with a large tally on the rudder)
-Bf 109 G-6

Best regards

ClinA-78

Re: Wanted: Crashed Enemy A/C Reports Germany & Denmark
 

The list im have used as basis for the information was made by Oberquartiermeister/Leitende Ingenieur beim Komm.Gen.d.dt.Lw.in Norwegen Br. Nr. 6977/45 geheim and dated 7. Mai 1945, so no British mistakes in this case, but may be a German one. I have never heard about the Ju 188S-5, but it is written like that in the list.

Re: Wanted: Crashed Enemy A/C Reports Germany & Denmark
 

Hi Seaplanes,

Thanks for the correction! That's how knowledge increases... (Is this a Signatur in the BAMA Freiburg or does it come from the Riksarkivet?)

Regards,

Marcel

Re: Wanted: Crashed Enemy A/C Reports Germany & Denmark
 

It's German typo. Wnr. 150576 is a D-2 with Skz. CZ+BD built by Siebel 1944.

Junker

Re: Wanted: Crashed Enemy A/C Reports Germany & Denmark
 

hi,

Labelling all of the I/KG 66 Ju 188 aircraft flying to Norway as D-2 is (most) likely wrong - In my opinion - Judging from known strength list 31.12.44 (ww2.dk) - Then I/KG 66 only had Ju 88 S-3´s on strength - But BAMA data has, the I/KG 66 was indeed issued 14 aircraft on 26.02.45 (5) and 24.02.45 (9) of the Ju 188 D-3 (Beleuter) version. These had been converted (Umbau) over previous few weeks from Ju 188 D-2 (Recce) aircraft. So far, all known or indentified Ju 188 D-3´s, were from Siebel production.

I can not judge "Ju 188 S-5" out as typo per se, I prefer to let it stand as it is! It could by yet another (minor) modification of Ju 188 A-2 / D-2, but so far, I have no other record of this particular machine, or if it was a "special" Umbau.

Remember, the I/KG 66 was a Kampfgeschwader (Bomber Unit) and the "S" does indeed suggest a Bomber version. Also the (Ju88) S-1 and S-3 were built and used in some numbers. It´s not that unlikely there were some few (Ju188) S-5´s too.

Finally a happy and prosperous new year to all.
ed

Re: Wanted: Crashed Enemy A/C Reports Germany & Denmark
 

The list I referred to also contains some information on the equipment of these K.G.66 aircraft. The three Ju 188D-2 aircraft listed all had 2 x 131 guns + one 120 mm cannon. They could be used as Zerstörer or Aufklärer. The Ju 188S-5 had the same equipment.

Re: Wanted: Crashed Enemy A/C Reports Germany & Denmark
 

one 120 mm cannon ? That is a new one !

I have never heard of the Ju 188 used as a Zerstörer. Which units operated as such ?

Carsten

By the way, happy new years

Ju 188 D W.Nrs.
 

Ed, Jörn, Seaplanes,


Thanks a lot for your input. I can add the following: In the GQM lists of March 1945 the following Ju 188s are mentioned:

• 17 March 1945, Fl.Pl. Dedelstorf, "Bruchlandung inf. Bedienungsfehler", Ju 188 (no subtype given), W.Nr. 151007, 15% Bruch. Is it possible to juge from the W.Nr. if it's a D-2 or D-3?
• 27 March 1945, Fl.Pl. Neubrandenburg, "Bruchlandung inf. Bedienungsfehler", Ju 188 D-3, W.Nr. 230754, 75% Bruch
• 29 March 1945, Fl.Pl. Wesendorf, "techn. Mangel beim Start", Ju 188 D-3, W.Nr. 151004, 13 (15?)% Bruch

To be honest, I don't have a clue what (i.e. which equipment) makes a D-3 a "Beleuchter" and why the normal bomber version shouldn't be good enough for I./KG66. (After all, they used the normal Ju 88 S-1/S-3 and Ju 188 E-1 bomber versions earlier for Pathfinding over Britain.) Longer range or extra FuG maybe? My reference material is lacking... I think I am, just like everybody else on this board, burning with anticipation to finally get my hands on that ultimate Ju 88/188 book!! Anybody has any updates regarding the status of Artie Bob's (or others) project?

Regards,

Marcel

Re: Wanted: Crashed Enemy A/C Reports Germany & Denmark
 

Hi Seaplanes, see PM