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Andrew Arthy 31st December 2010 03:16

Early FW 190 listings
 
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Hi everyone,

I thought I’d post my Focke-Wulf 190 A-0 and A-1 listings here. The sources that I’ve consulted are listed at the bottom of each document, and all comments and additions are very welcome.

Cheers,
Andrew A.

Air War Publications – www.airwarpublications.com

Rasmussen 31st December 2010 11:18

Re: Early FW 190 listings
 
Call sign SB + II of Fw 190A-0, W.Nr. 0029, is documented by flight log Niggemeyer.

Best wishes
Rasmussen

Andrew Arthy 1st January 2011 12:49

Re: Early FW 190 listings
 
Hi Rasmussen,

Thanks for that bit of information - I'll include it in the next update to the FW 190 A-0 listing.

Cheers,
Andrew A.

Air War Publications - www.airwarpublications.com

Dénes Bernád 1st January 2011 14:02

Re: Early FW 190 listings
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rasmussen (Post 119979)
Call sign SB + II of Fw 190A-0, W.Nr. 0029

This airplane: "Am 30. April 1944 durch Bombenangriff zu 100% beschädigt"

Don Pearson 1st January 2011 17:00

Re: Early FW 190 listings
 
I noticed that you did not reference "Focke-Wulf Fw 190/ Ta 152" by Griehl and Dressel (1995, Motorbuch Verlag). It has photos and charts relating to both models.

I can scan if you would like.

Don

Andrew Arthy 2nd January 2011 00:41

Re: Early FW 190 listings
 
Hi Dénes,

Thanks for that - every little bit helps. Would you mind listing your source?

If anyone has information about the following FW 190 A-1s, I'd love to hear from you. These are the only A-1s for which I currently have no information:

0110 003
0110 004
0110 014
0110 016
0110 045
0110 065
0110 077
0110 083
0110 090
0110 097

Cheers,
Andrew A.

Peter Achs 2nd January 2011 01:07

Re: Early FW 190 listings
 
Almost all built Fw 190 A-0/A-1 appear in the weekly reports of the technical department of BMW. Here is an example of the 6th week in 1941: Fw 190 in Bremen:

Regards
Peter

Peter Achs 2nd January 2011 01:21

Re: Early FW 190 listings
 
Another example from week 32. Have fun.

Regards
Peter

stephen f. polyak 2nd January 2011 04:47

Re: Early FW 190 listings
 
Andrew,

Long promised photos sent via e-mail. Please let me know all reached you.

Steve

Andrew Arthy 3rd January 2011 00:46

Re: Early FW 190 listings
 
Hi Peter,

Many thanks for the two BMW documents - they'll be very useful.

And Steve, thank you for the data plates. They'll go up on my FW 190/Ta 152 website soon.

Cheers,
Andrew A.

Air War Publications - www.airwarpublications.com

Rasmussen 3rd January 2011 10:32

Re: Early FW 190 listings
 
The W.Nr. 0110 086 had the call sign GE + QU and not GD + FI (isn't correct in all cases to add the row of signs with the missing letters of alphabet, often there were gaps).

source: FB Niggemeyer

Best wishes
Rasmussen

Andrew Arthy 14th January 2011 13:30

Re: Early FW 190 listings
 
Hi Rasmussen,

Thank you for this additional piece of information. Thanks also to Don Pearson for his assistance: it’s appreciated.

Cheers,
Andrew A.

Air War Publications – www.airwarpublications.com

Andreas Brekken 14th January 2011 14:19

Re: Early FW 190 listings
 
Hi, all

Peter - are those documents from BMW archives?

Regards,
Andreas B

thenelm 14th January 2011 23:52

Re: Early FW 190 listings
 
For WNr. 0045 & 0065 I have the following (the last isn't a loss, but a FB entry):

Fw 190A-1, 10045, Wolf, Uffz. Martin, , , , JGr.West, , , , , 07-Jan-43, Killed in crash., , Lfl.3/FR, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #8)-Vol.13, , südlich Bordeaux, 100%, H, , ,
Fw 190A-1, 10045, n.n., , III., III., JG 26, , , , , 24-Apr-42, Bruchlandung due to technical failure., WNr. 045 per loss., Lfl.3/Kanal, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #5)-Vol.8; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, VII, p.400, , Fl.Pl. Wevelghem, 40%, F, , ,
Fw 190A-1, 10065, Pistor, Uffz. Georg, , III., 8., JG 26, , , , , 05-Dec-41, Sperrflug., , Lfl.3/Kanal, FB, , Fl.Pl. Coquelles, -, F, , ,



And the loss that Andreas referred to I have transcribed as: Fw 190A-5, 0029, ./., , I., I., SG 101, , , , , 30-Apr-44, Bombenwurf., , Lfl.Reich/FR, BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/779, Flzg.-Unfälle und Verluste bei Schulen und usw., p.35, , Fl.Pl. Clermont-Ferrand, 100%, H, , ,



As anyone who has worked with the Schulen losses (Gen.Qu. stuff too) should know, sub types, as listed, are often wrong, not to mention that leading digits of WNr. are oft times truncated. This happens big time with Ju 88s in particular!! Since the A-5 WNr. 410029 was reported as a 70% loss with JG 51 in Oct-43, Andreas is more than likely correct with his listing.



Andrew Arthy 20th January 2011 08:13

Re: Early FW 190 listings
 
Hi Jim,

Thanks very much for the information about those two aircraft - that's some more gaps filled in the listing.

Cheers,
Andrew A.

Air War Publications - www.airwarpublications.com

Jim P. 21st January 2011 22:39

Re: Early FW 190 listings
 
What exactly is a 'Sperrflug'?

Don Pearson 21st January 2011 22:43

Re: Early FW 190 listings
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim P. (Post 121405)
What exactly is a 'Sperrflug'?

I Googled it and got "interception flight".

Don

RT 30th June 2011 13:45

Re: Early FW 190 listings
 
The W.Nr. 0110 086 had the call sign GE + QU and not GD + FI (isn't correct in all cases to add the row of signs with the missing letters of alphabet, often there were gaps).

Beauvais also gave it as GE+QU, probably the whole GD+Fx is wrong

Rémi

Norbert Schuchbauer 2nd July 2011 18:08

Re: Early FW 190 listings
 
Hi All,
here some clarification on the Stammkennzeichen and aircraft:
GD+FB is a He 111
GD+FC is a Ju 87
GD+FD is a He 111
GD+FE is a W 34
GD+FF is a Do 17
GD+FG is a Fw 44
GD+FH is a He 111
GD+FI is a He 111

GD+FN is correct Fw 190 A-1 110091
GD+FO is correct Fw 190 A-1 110093

the rest are correct ending in:
GD+FY as Fw 190 A-1 110102

GD+FZ is unknown to me.

Regards,

Norbert

Don Caldwell 4th July 2011 18:14

Re: Early FW 190 listings
 
Thanks, Andrew, for these useful lists. I can add more to the "Sperrflug" discussion. The best definition is "defensive patrol"; the root is from "barrier". JG 26 Flugbücher have many examples in 1941-42 of Sperrflüge over airfields and along railroad lines. They rarely resulted in interceptions, and would normally count as "operational non-combat" flights.

Horrido!

Don

RT 5th July 2011 09:54

Re: Early FW 190 listings
 
The word in english, a bit more present, is Interdition

Rémi

Frank Olynyk 5th July 2011 19:52

Re: Early FW 190 listings
 
Remi,
The correct spelling in English is "Interdiction". From the noun Interdict, a term used in Roman, civil and Church law, to mean a law or order to prohibit an action. One could interpret this to mean "to place a barrier between two groups", and thus the translation from German.

Enjoy!

Frank.

RT 6th July 2011 11:44

Re: Early FW 190 listings
 
Sorry Frank,

My eyes gave full confidence to my fingers, seems they overestimated them

Rémi


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