He 111 seen hit over London 15 Sept 40
 

I have an eye-witness account from the ground of a He 111 seen being attacked and set on fire by a Spitfire over London (north of the Thames) on 15 September.

Does anyone have any idea as to a specific He 111 or Spitfire involved?

I note that
The witness saw this through a gap in the clouds and recalled the cloud cover on that day.
Most of the He 111s in the afternoon attack on London seem to have been attacked south of the Thames. Many appear to have turned before they would have been visible from north of the Thames.

thanks,
David Isby

Re: He 111 seen hit over London 15 Sept 40
 

He 111H-3, 3340, n.n., , III., 9., KG 53, gelbe B, A1+BT, , , 15-Sep-40, Notlandung due to Luftkampf with enemy fighters. 2 WIA., , Kanal, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #2)-Vol.3; BoB, T&N, p.647, , Armentieres, 40%, F, , ,
He 111H-3, 5609, n.n., , I., 3., KG 26, gelbe E, 1H+EL, , , 15-Sep-40, Flak and Luftkampf with enemy fighters during raid on London., , Kanal, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #2)-Vol.3; BoB, T&N, p.646, , (London), 20%, F, , ,
He 111H, , n.n., , I., I., KG 26, , , , , 15-Sep-40, Luftkampf with enemy fighters. 1 WIA., , Kanal, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #2)-Vol.3, , (London), b, F, , ,
He 111, , n.n., , III., III., KG 55, , , , , 15-Sep-40, Luftkampf with enemy fighters. 1 WIA., , Kanal, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #2)-Vol.3, , (London), b, F, , ,
He 111P-4, 3086, n.n., , II., 6., KG 4, gelbe H, 5J+HP, TM+WU, , 15-Sep-40, Notlandung due to enemy fighters., , Kanal, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #2)-Vol.3; BoB, T&N, p.646, , Eindhoven, 30%, F, , ,
He 111H-2, 5120, Böck, Ltn. Hermann, , I., 3., KG 53, gelbe E, A1+EL, , , 15-Sep-40, POW due to Luftkampf with enemy fighters during raid on London. Notlandung. 3 others POW, 1 KIA., , Kanal, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #2)-Vol.3; BoB, T&N, p.646; Mason, p.393, , Horstead Hall, Botany Farm, Orsett, Essex, 100%, F, , ,
He 111H-2, 5481, Büchner, Oblt. Gerhard, , I., 3., KG 53, gelbe G, A1+GL, , , 15-Sep-40, POW due to Luftkampf with enemy fighters during raid on London. 2 others POW, 2 KIA., , Kanal, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #2)-Vol.3; BoB, T&N, p.646; Mason, p.393, , Bourne Farm, Sandhurst, 100%, F, , ,
He 111H-1, 2771, Behrendt, Fw. K., , II., 5., KG 53, , A1+AN, , , 15-Sep-40, POW due to Luftkampf with enemy fighters during raid on London. Notlandung. 2 others POW, 2 KIA., , Kanal, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #2)-Vol.3; BoB, T&N, p.646, , Fl.Pl. West Malling, 100%, F, , ,
He 111H-2, 3140, Schweiger, Fw. Alois, , St., Stab, KG 53, blaue D, A1+DA, , , 15-Sep-40, KIA due to Luftkampf with enemy fighters during raid on Beckton gas works. 3 others KIA, 1 MIA.., , Kanal, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #2)-Vol.3; BoB, T&N, p.646, , Tripcock Pier, Woolwich Arsenal, 100%, F, , ,
He 111H-3, 6849, n.n., , II., 6., KG 26, gelbe A, 1H+AP, , , 15-Sep-40, Bruchlandung due to Luftkampf with enemy fighters. Raid to London. 2 WIA., , Kanal, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #2)-Vol.3; BoB, T&N, p.646, , St. Leonhart, 50%, F, , ,
He 111H-2, 5494, n.n., , I., 3., KG 53, gelbe J, A1+JL, , , 15-Sep-40, Notlandung due to Luftkampf with enemy fighter attacks during raid on London. 2 WIA., , Kanal, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #2)-Vol.3; BoB, T&N, p.646, , Boulogne, 35%, F, , ,
He 111H-3, 6843, Gruber, Major Maximilian (B)/Schmidtborn, Ofw. Günther, , II., Stab II., KG 53, weiße G, A1+GM, , , 15-Sep-40, Gr.Kdr. Both POW due to Flak and enemy fighters. Bo, Bm and Bf also POW, the later two WIA. Hs KIA., Other than Gr.Kdr., 6 St. crew., Kanal, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #2)-Vol.3; Cornwell via TOCH on 16-Jan-11; BoB, T&N, p.646; Mason, p.394, , Peasridge Farm, Frittenden, bei Staplehurst, 100%, F, Bo Oblt. Hans-Peter Schierning, Bm Uffz. Eugen Schilling, Bf Fw. Maximilian Nagl & Hs Fw. Andreas Grassl, 15.00,
He 111H, , n.n., , I., 3., KG 53, , , , , 15-Sep-40, 1 WIA, cause unknown., , Kanal, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #2)-Vol.3, , (London), b, F, , ,
He 111H-3, 5612, n.n., , I., 3., KG 26, gelbe G, 1H+GL, , , 15-Sep-40, Flak and Luftkampf with enemy fighters., , Kanal, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #2)-Vol.3; BoB, T&N, p.646, , (London), 20%, F, , ,

Re: He 111 seen hit over London 15 Sept 40
 

Alfred Price's "Battle of Britain Day" could well have an answer.

Re: He 111 seen hit over London 15 Sept 40
 

Sorry, but the words 'needle' and 'haystack' spring to mind...

Re: He 111 seen hit over London 15 Sept 40
 

...as do the words very small and very large in respect of needle and haystack

Re: He 111 seen hit over London 15 Sept 40
 

Hence my shot-gunned He 111 losses for that day listed previously - take your pick. At least, I guess, its a fairly small haystack.

Re: He 111 seen hit over London 15 Sept 40
 

Bonjour de Normandie
Je voudrais poser une question à Jim P.
Où pourrais-je trouver des informations comme les votres concernant un Ju 88A-4 crashé en Normandie dans la nuit du 3 août 1944.?
Merci pour votre aide

Hello from Normandy
I have a question to Jim P.
Where can I find information like yours on a Ju 88A-4 crashed in Normandy on the night of August 3, 1944.?
Thank you for your help

Re: He 111 seen hit over London 15 Sept 40
 

Ignoring the question
Excused me!http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/images/icons/icon9.gif

Re: He 111 seen hit over London 15 Sept 40
 

Have a little patience guy - I don't check this site every day. Here's what I have, though doubtless far from complete:

Ju 88S-3, 330790, Schuhmann, Uffz. Wilhelm, , , Einsatzgr., KG 101, , , , , 03-Aug-44, Crew injured in crash due to fuel shortage., See Verbande for 10-Aug-44., Lfl.3/FR, BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/780, Flzg.-Unfälle und Verluste bei Schulen und usw., p.68, , Romorantin, 100%, E, B Uffz. Walter Heuer, Bf Uffz. Walter Prestkow & Bs Uffz. Otto Brechno, ,
Ju 88A-4, 5874, Nitschke, Ltn. Walter, , , Einsatzgr., KG 101, , , , , 03-Aug-44, KIA due to Flak and enemy fighters. B also KIA, Bf & Bs WIA., See Verbande for 10-Aug-44., Lfl.3/FR, BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/780, Flzg.-Unfälle und Verluste bei Schulen und usw., p.68, , Beautesnil, 80%, E, B Uffz. Herbert Rogowski, Bf Fw. Rudolf Köppel & Bs Uffz. Helmut Drechsler, ,
Ju 88G-1, 714092, Eisenhauer, Uffz. Friedrich, , , 1., NJG 2, , , , , 03-Aug-44, Flak. Crew FSA, Bf & Bs reported MIA. F returned 12-Aug., Reported twice by Balss, first on 3-Aug., Ferne Nachtjagd, Balss, Deutsche Nachtjagd, p.330; Rökker, I./NJG 2, p.106, 232, , bei Flers, 100%, F, Bf Ogefr. Georg Pfauter & Bs Gefr. Hubert Zimmermann, ,
Ju 88A-4, 140443, Auerswald, Fw. Rudolf, , , 3., KG 54, , B3+PL, , , 03-Aug-44, WIA, POW due to enemy nightfighter. B WIA, POW, Bf MIA. Sortie against troops near Avranches., , FR, Radtke, KG 54, p.336, 370, , bei Avranches, 100%, F, B Gefr. Paul Busch & Bf Uffz. Richard Wagener, ,
Ju 88A-4, 8643, n.n., , , 3., KG 54, , B3+RL, , , 03-Aug-44, Crashed due to fuel shortage. Crew FSA., , FR, Radtke, KG 54, p.370, , , 100%, F, , ,
Ju 88A-4, 142408, Kairies, Uffz. Emil, , , 3., KG 54, , B3+UL, , , 03-Aug-44, MIA with crew during anti-shipping sortie to Ornemündung, cause unknown., , FR, Radtke, KG 54, p.336, 370, , Ornemündung Normandie, 100%, F, B Gefr. Erwin Wüstefeld, Bf Uffz. Wilhelm Schmidt & Bs Uffz. Werner Wagener, ,

Re: He 111 seen hit over London 15 Sept 40
 

Excusez-moi , mais je pensais que votre page n'existais plus et je suis content de voir que je me suis trompé!
Encore une fois, excusez-moi.
J'ai pu localiser un Ju 88A-4 près de Beaumesnil (sud-est de Bernay).Au archives de mon département, il parle
" d'un appareil allemand tombé le 3 août 1944 vers 03h00
du matin. 1 tué et 2 blessés"
Je vous remercie par avance, pour les renseignements que vous pourriez me fournir.
Salutation. Joel


Hello Jim P.
Excuse me, but I thought your page n'exixtais more and I am glad that I'm wrong!
Again, excuse me.
I was able to locate a Ju 88A-4 near Beaumesnil (southeast of Bernay). The archives of my department, he speaks
"A German aircraft dropped 3 August 1944 about 0300
am. 1 killed, 2 injured "
Thank you in advance for information you can provide me.
Greeting. Joel

Re: He 111 seen hit over London 15 Sept 40
 

There were a number of other losses-I have a Ju 88 of 2/KG 30 at Villedieu, one of 6/KG 30 at Amieres and another from 6/KG 30 near Caen and there were more

Re: He 111 seen hit over London 15 Sept 40
 

Of what I have and posted, the 2nd KG 101 machine would appear to be the closest match, though with a mis-spelled location?

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Ju 88A-4, 5874, Nitschke, Ltn. Walter, , , Einsatzgr., KG 101, , , , , 03-Aug-44, KIA due to Flak and enemy fighters. B also KIA, Bf & Bs WIA., See Verbande for 10-Aug-44., Lfl.3/FR, BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/780, Flzg.-Unfälle und Verluste bei Schulen und usw., p.68, , Beautesnil, 80%, E, B Uffz. Herbert Rogowski, Bf Fw. Rudolf Köppel & Bs Uffz. Helmut Drechsler, ,

Bonjour de Normandie ,
Effectivement, je pense que ce crash correspond au mien. La commune de "Beautesnil" n'existe pas donc , c'est une erreur d'orthographe.
Vraiment un très grand merci pour votre aide.

Si je comprend bien , le Lt. Nitschke Walter est mort ? Etait-il un membre d'équipage ?
Uffz. Herbert Rogowski "mort" ( B=KIA)
Uffz. Helmut Dreschsler "blessé" ( Bs=WIA)
Fw. Rudolf Köppel "blessé" (Bs= WIA)
Qui a t-il à voir le 10 août ?
Joe


Hello from Normandy

Yes, I think this crash is mine. The common "Beautesnil" does not exist then, is a spelling error.

A really big thank you for your help.

If I understand correctly, Lt. Walter Nitschke died? Was it a crew member?
Uffz. Herbert Rogowski "death " (B = KIA)
Uffz. Helmut Dreschsler "wounded" (Bs = WIA)
Fw. Rudolf Köppel "wounded" (Bs = WIA)

Who does he see August 10?

Joe

Re: He 111 seen hit over London 15 Sept 40
 

Joe

Might I suggest if you have other crash questions (10 Aug?) you open a new thread as this thread is about 15 Sep 40

Chris

Ju 88A-4 3 août 1944
 

Ju 88A-4, 5874, Nitschke, Ltn. Walter, , , Einsatzgr., KG 101, , , , , 03-Aug-44, KIA due to Flak and enemy fighters. B also KIA, Bf & Bs WIA., See Verbande for 10-Aug-44., Lfl.3/FR, BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/780, Flzg.-Unfälle und Verluste bei Schulen und usw., p.68, , Beautesnil, 80%, E, B Uffz. Herbert Rogowski, Bf Fw. Rudolf Köppel & Bs Uffz. Helmut Drechsler, ,

Bonjour de Normandie ,
Effectivement, je pense que ce crash correspond au mien. La commune de "Beautesnil" n'existe pas donc , c'est une erreur d'orthographe.
Vraiment un très grand merci pour votre aide.

Si je comprend bien , le Lt. Nitschke Walter est mort ? Etait-il un membre d'équipage ?
Uffz. Herbert Rogowski "mort" ( B=KIA)
Uffz. Helmut Dreschsler "blessé" ( Bs=WIA)
Fw. Rudolf Köppel "blessé" (Bs= WIA)
Qui a t-il à voir le 10 août ?
Joe


Hello from Normandy

Yes, I think this crash is mine. The common "Beautesnil" does not exist then, is a spelling error.

A really big thank you for your help.

If I understand correctly, Lt. Walter Nitschke died? Was it a crew member?
Uffz. Herbert Rogowski "death " (B = KIA)
Uffz. Helmut Dreschsler "wounded" (Bs = WIA)
Fw. Rudolf Köppel "wounded" (Bs = WIA)

Who does he see August 10?

Joe

Re: He 111 seen hit over London 15 Sept 40
 

Chris,
Ok
Oops, I did not send a question Aubone place! Excuse mehttp://forum.12oclockhigh.net/images/icons/icon11.gif
Joe