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Klemen Kocjancic 8th September 2005 09:58

Slovenes in Luftwaffe
 
Those anyone has any info on Slovenes, serving in Luftwaffe as pilots?

Regards,
K

Jaap Woortman 8th September 2005 10:07

Re: Slovenes in Luftwaffe
 
Dear Klemen,


Try to get Hans Werner Neulen's book "In the Skies of Europe" Crowood Press, 2000. It gives information about all nations.
There was/is also a German version, but the English version is more complete.

Jaap

Andy Fletcher 8th September 2005 10:16

Re: Slovenes in Luftwaffe
 
Hi Klemen,

The following Slovenes flew with 15(kroat.)/JG52

Uffz Josip Kranjc; KIFA 21Dec43
Olt Albin Starc; Defected to Soviets 14May43
Ofw Viktor Mihelcic; MIA 4May43
Uffz Albin Sval; KIFA 10Mar44

Regards

Andy Fletcher

Klemen Kocjancic 8th September 2005 10:24

Re: Slovenes in Luftwaffe
 
Thanks!

Does anyone recognize Otto Kugovnik? He was a jet ace (Me 262?) according to http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=82208&highlight=slovenia

Regards,
K

Stig Jarlevik 8th September 2005 20:59

Re: Slovenes in Luftwaffe
 
Hi Jaap
As an aside, in what way is the English version of Neulens book more complete?

German should after all be his native tongue

Cheers

Stig Jarlevik

PS: The book is also being published in French

edwest 8th September 2005 21:41

Re: Slovenes in Luftwaffe
 
From the "Introduction to the English Edition"


"The author is pleased to take the opportunity offered by this English edition to correct a few errors found in the original German edition, adjust the list of the most successful Italian fighter pilots in accordance with the latest research data, and include some additional material. This relates to Russian airmen serving in the German Luftwaffe and the Dutch pilots, whose almost unknown story is described in a short new chapter."



Ed

Stig Jarlevik 9th September 2005 15:55

Re: Slovenes in Luftwaffe
 
Thanks Ed

In your opinion, since I believe you are in possession of the English version, are the additions worth buying the book again? I have the German original version

Cheers
Stig Jarlevik
Gothenburg, Sweden

edwest 9th September 2005 18:19

Re: Slovenes in Luftwaffe
 
Not having seen the German edition, I can't say, since I don't know how many corrections were made. The English Edition has 383 pages if that helps.


Ed

Stig Jarlevik 9th September 2005 19:18

Re: Slovenes in Luftwaffe
 
OK Ed
Thanks anyway. The German edition gives 388 pages, so that is not of much use... :-)
Anyone who at this stage could give all of us who just have the German edition some update on the Dutch section? Pilot names and achievements would be fine with me.

Cheers
Stig Jarlevik
Gothenburg, Sweden

Nick Beale 11th September 2005 00:52

Re: Slovenes in Luftwaffe
 
Another Slovene in the Luftwaffe was Captain Marijan J. Gorican, a Do 24 pilot with 7. Seenotstaffel at Athens-Phaleron, who defected to the Allies at Aleppo, Syria on 7 September 1944.

Re Neulen's book, the English version is just out in softback.

Couldn't tell you what he says about the Dutch pilots but he does have a weird claim that there were Italian pilots in Nachtschlachtgruppe 9. I'd love to know his source for that!

Andy Fletcher 11th September 2005 13:33

Re: Slovenes in Luftwaffe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick Beale
Re Neulen's book, the English version is just out in softback.

Ni Nick,

My English copy of Neulens book is in hardback, had it a few years so maybe only available in softback now.

Regards

Andy Fletcher

Nick Beale 11th September 2005 20:18

Re: Slovenes in Luftwaffe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy Fletcher
Ni Nick,

My English copy of Neulens book is in hardback, had it a few years so maybe only available in softback now.

My information is from Friday evening when I was in London and saw the softback on the shelves of Foyles' Bookshop.

The publication date of this edition was 2005.

Klemen Kocjancic 12th September 2005 07:27

Re: Slovenes in Luftwaffe
 
Thanks Nick!

May I remind you gentleman, that this thread is on Slovenes in Luftwaffe? ;)

Regards,
Klemen

Klemen Kocjancic 12th September 2005 23:06

Re: Slovenes in Luftwaffe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy Fletcher
Hi Klemen,

The following Slovenes flew with 15(kroat.)/JG52

Uffz Josip Kranjc; KIFA 21Dec43
Olt Albin Starc; Defected to Soviets 14May43
Ofw Viktor Mihelcic; MIA 4May43
Uffz Albin Sval; KIFA 10Mar44

Regards

Andy Fletcher

Do you perhaps know, if they were credited with any air victories?

Regards,
Klemen

Klemen Kocjancic 12th September 2005 23:07

Re: Slovenes in Luftwaffe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick Beale
Another Slovene in the Luftwaffe was Captain Marijan J. Gorican, a Do 24 pilot with 7. Seenotstaffel at Athens-Phaleron, who defected to the Allies at Aleppo, Syria on 7 September 1944.

Do you have any other info on him?

Regards,
Klemen

Andy Fletcher 13th September 2005 00:33

Re: Slovenes in Luftwaffe
 
Uffz Josip Kranjc - 9 Kills
Ofw Viktor Mihelcic - 2 Kills
Olt Albin Starc - 11 kills
Uffz Albin Sval - 3 kills

Regards

Andy Fletcher

Klemen Kocjancic 13th September 2005 09:48

Re: Slovenes in Luftwaffe
 
Thanks!

Do you have any other info on them?

I found just http://users.accesscomm.ca/magnusfamily/ww2cro.htm

Regards,
Klemen

Nick Beale 13th September 2005 13:11

Re: Slovenes in Luftwaffe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Klemen Kocjancic
Do you have any other info on him?

No I don't but it can be found in UK National Archives file AIR40/3114, report CSDIC CMF (Air) A.503

I think there was a second report on him as well but I was looking for other information and just made a note of this reference in passing.

Klemen Kocjancic 14th September 2005 19:45

Re: Slovenes in Luftwaffe
 
OK, thanks again!

Regards,
Klemen

Primoz 15th September 2005 23:21

Re: Slovenes in Luftwaffe
 
Here's another one: Hptm. Karl Bresoschek of III./JG 77

Klemen Kocjancic 20th September 2005 08:31

Re: Slovenes in Luftwaffe
 
Thanks!

Does anyone have any background info on them? Were they pilots in Yugoslavia? Were they mobilized into Luftwaffe, voluntered or were trained from "scratch"?

Regards,
Klemen


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