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Bf109G-6 16324 RAF Manston
A Bf109G-6 landed by mistake at RAF Manston on 22 July 1944. Can anyone say if there are photos showing this airplane after it fell into British hands?
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Steve,
There are fotos in "War Prizes" showing it in RAF markings. von Lutz |
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Hi Richard,
Two 109G-6s landed at RAF Manston a day apart in July 44: 412951 and 16324. Does "War Prizes" show one or both; I'm looking for pics of 16324. Thanks, Steve |
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Steve,
There is no mention of the second Bf 109G in the book. What is your source on it? von Lutz |
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von Lutz,
See here: http://www.ww2.dk/misc/21.7.44.pdf Mention of this airplane/event is also made in several references, among them Close-Up 6, p. 21. It seems to be a mystery, if not largely forgotten. Where is the photo evidence? Steve P.S. Note the full W.Nr. is 163 240. Quote:
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Gents,
We have a thread on WNr.412951 on the LEMB here As for WNr.163240, this gets the following mention on this LEMB thread
I recognise the pilots name but as I'm at work, I'll check when I get home later... Cheers Peter D Evans LEMB Administrator |
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Hello,
Better with that number! There is a good reason for the lack of 163240 picture: "Thinking he was going to overshoot the runway, he raised the landing gear to slow himself, and did considerable damage to the AC, belly landing." Dito The Kracker Luftwaffe Archive. Seemed more a complete crash than a belly landing ... or just a simple landing! That's the reason you got the "Typenschild" Steven ?? Regards, Franck. :troll: |
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'K' report for Fw Gromill said after T/O he found the R/T was being jammed, but he continued his flight hoping to find a target. Later he saw an aircraft showing a white light which he thought was a Mosqito, at this stage despite lack of AA and searchlights he realised he was over England. Then the engine gave trouble so he elected to make a forced landing at Manston. In the case of Ltn. Prenzell he circled what he thought was an airfield on the French/Belgium border and on on landing was suprised to find himself on Manston, pilot had flown 10 dayilght operations over Germany and 15 Wilde Sau flights
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Something does not quite line up with the published ID of Gromoll's Gustav. The British report gives the werknummer as "163240" and its stkz as "RQ+BK," yet in order for the stkz to be right, the actual werknummer must therefore be 163247. Or, if the published werknummer is correct, then the stkz must have been RQ+BD. Perhaps an expert can clarify which it is?
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the ivan:
Thanks for helping to sort this out. It makes perfect sense. Gromoll's aircraft was neatly sandwiched between several well known G-6 Gustavs that were transfered to the Swiss. Hal |
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My thanks to all who replied! I still find it strange that no photos of 163 240 have turned up... maybe in time.
Yes, a data plate, a main plate no less, believed from this airplane did survive. From a thread of several years ago, here are the details: http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=5507 I will repost a photo of the plate later in the week. Have a great day gentlemen, Steve |
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Guys
Rather strange with all contradictions in the AI report. Is this the compiler's fault or does the real report have such errors as landing times and Wnr? (02.40H/02.45H vs 03.00/20 minutes later and 412951/416951) http://www.ww2.dk/misc/21.7.44.pdf Cheers Stig |
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