Four Pictures
 

Hi,

Any details and comments? Thanks.

Cheers, Franck.

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Franck,

The second image seems to show a 109 G (G 6 ?) of IV/JG3 in italy in Summer 1943.
The wavy line is very characterisctic of that Gruppe.

Cheers

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The 4th picture is from the Army Signal Corps collection stored at the US National Archives (NARA).

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Salut Franck,

#1: the small wheel bulges on the wing, the refined cowling bulges, the horse-shoe type oil tank and the oil filler cap hatch in the lower position are clear indicators for a Bf 109 G-6/AS or G-14/AS.

#3: same characteristics as #1, so also a Bf 109 G-6/AS or G-14/AS. No unit signs can be seen. The W.Nr. can be guessed, applied on the upper part of the fin. This a common practice for Mtt built machines.

#4: shot taken at Bonn-Hangelar in late March 1945, showing the wreck of WNF built Bf 109 G-8 W.Nr. 202 113 "Grüne 7", unit unknown. Hitchcock 1977, p. 4.

Cheers
Marc

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Bonsoir Marc,

Merci! Page 4 for Hitchcock???? I was sure it wasn't Yellow 7.
Funny, "Four pictures" attracts more curiosity than "Bf109 on eBay" !!! Or perhaps it's because of YOU!!! :p.

@Miguel,
I think I/We have another picture of that White 10. (For me the camouflage is more symptomatic of a production (WNF, Erla ...) than a unit; so, I don't know. But let's check!) Sorry Miguel, wrong answer! you talked about WAVY line, you mean IV. Gr. identification!!! OK, OK!

Cheers, Franck.

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Yep, you guessesd it.. Late war 109's are my favourites...

Cheers
Marc

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hm not realy sure - but #3 looks like a JG 53 109, downed march 26th by AA-fire near the rhine-crossing at Hamm, but then it must be a late G modell (?).
The pilot killed in the belly landing - not realy sure, but from the area- specially the houses seen in the background - it could be....

khorat

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Hello Khorat,

... Means you have another picture to compare?? For the moment I've nothing obvious to check.
But Marc is right, G-6/14/AS, no problemo.

Franck.

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no - sorry no picture availiable here - just about the location, street and houses behind, looking exactly like the place it happend.
When it happend - just some hundred meters near a US Camp where the troops prepare for the river rhine crossing, so a lot of GI´s been there in a minute or two.

khorat

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Aircraft in picture #4,

Bf-109 "7" Wnr. 202113
Bf-109 "2" no Wnr.
Bf-109 "8" no Wnr.
Ju-87 "K" Wnr. 131372
Fw-190 Wnr. 582542

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Marc´s source for #4 is Hitchcock´s
Monogram Close-Up 7 Messerschmitt 109G Part 2 (1977)
W.Nr.202113 Bf109G-8/U3 "Green 7"
W.Nr.xxxxxx Bf109G-14 "Blue 8"
W.Nr.xxxxxx Bf 109G-14 "White 2"
Code of Ju87 seems to be +(yellow)KL

(Picture also depicted in Hitchcock´s "O-Nine Gallery")

Regards

Roland

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Hi Roland,

Sure, I was thinking about "O-Nine gallery", but it's not very important. Although it's noticeable that Hitchcock wasn't wrong on one plane! At least!...

I'm a little bit disappointed that the picture #1 as received so few comments except to say that it is/was a G-?/AS. Is it a new picture of an unkwown plane?

Cheers, Franck.

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Franck,

Interesting about #1 is the apparent overspray of the upper wing surfaces; notice the swirls in the wing edges and the muting of the white on the crosses.

Don

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When Tom Hitchcock captioned the photo he didn't have the benefit of A.I. 2(g) Report No. 269 on Bonn-Hangelar. His use of that photo did inspire me to undertake a lengthy bit of research and write an article though!

You might want to check this page on my website which supplements the A.I. 2(g) with material from Ultra and the Gen. Qu. loss reports.

Adding to what's on the web page, I've since found from Ultra that W.Nr. 463118, a Bf 109 G-14 of EJG 1 was allocated from Bonn-Hangelar on 18 January 1945. Luftflotte Reich's Chief QM was to be notified when the aircraft was taken over.

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Good morning,

Thank you Nick for that update. I think I didn't loose my time puting these pictures here.
Thank you all indeed.

Best regards, Franck.