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Jens 4th April 2011 23:36

Picture of LW plane with SD-2
 
Dear Friends,

i need a picture of a LW plane with "Rosten" and "SD-2" in 1941. Does anybody has such a photo or know somebody, who has such a picture? I would pay for this, even if i would get "only" the copyright.

JohnnyB 5th April 2011 00:21

Re: Picture of LW plane with SD-2
 
Hi Jens,

look at this :

http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=3317

Adriano Baumgartner 5th April 2011 01:21

Re: Picture of LW plane with SD-2
 
Johny,

This is really an amazing picture...thanks for sharing the link with us!
Adriano

Harold Lake 5th April 2011 01:51

Re: Picture of LW plane with SD-2
 
Yes, a very interesting photo. But the caption is wrong. According to a Messerschmitt document in my file, the ONLY Bf 109 Emils eligible to carry the SD 2 were the Bf 109 E-7/U1, U2 and U3. No other Emil subtypes were authorized. In fact, the Bf 109 E-1/B, E-3/B and E-4/B were built to carry only 50, 250 and 500 kg bomb(s) in various combinations. The E-7 and E-8 also carried these bombs but without any notation change to their series designations.

Jens 5th April 2011 14:53

Re: Picture of LW plane with SD-2
 
Thanks! Looks indeed very interesting. Does anybody know, how to get a copyright permission? I need it for a quite commercial use.

John Vasco 5th April 2011 16:58

Re: Picture of LW plane with SD-2
 
Bf 110s of SKG 210 also used SD2s on the Russian Front in 1941.

Evgeny Velichko 5th April 2011 17:25

Re: Picture of LW plane with SD-2
 
First use of SD-2 was on 29 october 1940, during "Opernhalle" operation - massive JaBo raid on RAF airfields. Almost all JaBo staffeln, together with 3./Erpr.Gr.210 and II.(Schl)/LG2 flew on that raids. Many of them used SD-2 on their Bf109E-4/B's and E-7/B's.

Photo above shows Bf109E-3/B with emblem of II.(Sch)/LG2, summer 1941, Belarus region.

SD-2 were, as John stated, very widely used by SKG210 (and after 4.1.42 - ZG1) during its first tour on Eastern Front, 22.6.41 - march 1942.

Pilot 5th April 2011 17:52

Re: Picture of LW plane with SD-2
 
Interesting :)

Where to get more info about the SD-2?

JohnnyB 5th April 2011 23:47

Re: Picture of LW plane with SD-2
 
Hi all,

The SD2 hung in so-called "Schüttbehälter". I don´t know the english translation to this word - maybe something like "bulk container" ?
Just talking about cluster weapon - have you ever seen the MRCA Tornado dropping cluster bombs ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLqCxCLKfGk

or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg9uo...eature=related


Here something more about SD-2 :

http://www.inert-ord.net/usa03a/usa6/bfly/index.html

Regards,

JohnnyB

Pilot 6th April 2011 08:45

Re: Picture of LW plane with SD-2
 
Very interesting weapon- thank you for link!

Modeldad 6th April 2011 14:54

Re: Picture of LW plane with SD-2
 
More info. They are still used.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e4...d/7db7e141.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e4...d/6ddea21f.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e4...d/342ac685.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e4...d/4bf2d648.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e4...d/52f00a19.jpg

US military version:

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e4...d/a416ebaf.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e4...d/e403ed94.jpg

JohnnyB 6th April 2011 22:28

Re: Picture of LW plane with SD-2
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Harold Lake (Post 125495)
Yes, a very interesting photo. But the caption is wrong. According to a Messerschmitt document in my file, the ONLY Bf 109 Emils eligible to carry the SD 2 were the Bf 109 E-7/U1, U2 and U3. No other Emil subtypes were authorized. In fact, the Bf 109 E-1/B, E-3/B and E-4/B were built to carry only 50, 250 and 500 kg bomb(s) in various combinations. The E-7 and E-8 also carried these bombs but without any notation change to their series designations.


Hi Harold,

not only BF109 E was able to carry this SD-2, G- version too. Look at the link below to find "Rüstsatz IV" for BF109 G

http://www.adlertag.de/ruest.htm

Pilot 7th April 2011 01:42

Re: Picture of LW plane with SD-2
 
Nice update- thank you :)

Harold Lake 7th April 2011 01:47

Re: Picture of LW plane with SD-2
 
Johnny B,

Sorry, but I doubt this site. There is just no official record of the SD 2 system being used beyond ANY Bf 109 after the Emil series. And the site is suspect partly because it does not list the Gustav subtype which is an important omission. Then too, you might expect the Bf 109 F to also employ the system, but yet here again there is no official record of it progressing beyond the Emil E-7/U1, U2 and U3.

BC 13th April 2011 22:37

Re: Picture of LW plane with SD-2
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Evgeny Velichko (Post 125526)
First use of SD-2 was on 29 october 1940

Close, but there are accurate records of SD-2s dropped in the Ipswich area of East Suffolk on the afternoon of 27 October 1940, possibly during the Jabo attack on RAF Martlesham Heath. The first warnings regarding unexploded examples were issued by the BBC the following day.

BC


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