K.G. 51, lost a/c
 

W.Nr. 3367 and 3439, both lost 1941 with K.G. 51, can you confirm these were Ju 88?

Kind regards,
Pawel

Re: K.G. 51, lost a/c
 

Sorry, I was too quick posting this thread :)
Seems they both were Do 17Zs from K.G. 3

Pawel

Re: K.G. 51, lost a/c
 

Hi Pawel,
Have you confirmed whether these a/c are from KG3, and do you have any further info as to there loss?
From the W.Nr's given, they would appear to have been Dornier 17Z-2 variants.

Rgs,
Steve.

Re: K.G. 51, lost a/c
 

I think so, 5K+ET (3367) was lost 22-Jul-41 in Russia and 5K+DS (3439) 23-Apr-41, Greece. I acquired information on those losses via Jim P. so most probably K.G. 51 (that flew Ju 88 at that time) is a typo either by Jim or in original Gen.Qu. report.

Kind regards,
Pawel

Re: K.G. 51, lost a/c
 

Hi Pawel,

Thanks ever so much for your speedy response!
Yes it would appear to have been a typo, has you rightly say,but i dont have either of these W.Nr's within my losses for KG3,and i trust Jim P's data and experience, more so, than my own humble listings!!

Thanks for your help Pawel,
Rgs,
Steve.

Re: K.G. 51, lost a/c
 

Hi Pawel and Steve,

According to “Neizvestnaya bitva v nebe Mosvy” by Dmitry Khazanov Do 17Z WNr.3367 5K+ET of 9./KG 3 was shot down during Luftwaffe raid on Moscow on 21/22th July 1941 by Mark Lazarevich Gallay and fell down between Vitebsk and Smolensk.

Best regards,
Mikhail.

Re: K.G. 51, lost a/c
 

Mikhail, thank you for this information. What is your opinion on Khazanov's book?

Kind regards,
Pawel

Re: K.G. 51, lost a/c
 

Hi Mikhail,
Thank you for the information reg. 5K+ET lost over Moscow.
It is very helpful.

Rgs,
Steve.

Re: K.G. 51, lost a/c
 

Hi again,

"Neizvestnaja bitva v nebe Moskvy" by D.Khazanov has 2 vols. The third (and the last) will be published soon. In my opinion this book is not very good. The info is very poor, especially about Luftwaffe units. I've read the book but the theme about air battles over Moscow in 1941-1942 is still unknown to me!

Best regards,
Mikhail.
P.S.Excuse me please for my broken English.:o

Re: K.G. 51, lost a/c
 

Good morning Pawel,

Following on from your post regarding Dornier 17 and KG3 losses, could you possibly help me one more time.
I have very limited info regarding losses from III/KG3 lost over the Balkans and Greece, these were on 6.4.41 my source being Shores airwar over Yugoslavia Greece and Crete book.
looking for W.Nr's , codes, any crew details.
Any help would be most appreciated.
Rgs,
Steve.

Re: K.G. 51, lost a/c
 

Here is what I have:
Do 17Z 2563 5K+DS Neuwirth, Uffz. Hans-Werner 8./K.G. 3 06-Apr-41 MIA due to enemy fire. 2 others MIA, 1 KIA. Yugoslavia Belgrad 100% F
Do 17Z 2575 5K+GS Hertel, Uffz. Georg 8./K.G. 3 06-Apr-41 WIA due to enemy fire. Yugoslavia Belgrad
Do 17Z 3326 III./K.G. 3 16-Apr-41 Bauchlandung. Greece Kozani 30% H
Do 17Z 3439 5K+DS Wiesmüller, Uffz. Hans 8./K.G. 3 23-Apr-41 KIA with crew by Flak (or possibly shot down by fighter). Greece near Korinth 100% F
Do 17Z 3435 III./K.G. 3 13-May-41 Bruchlandung. Greece Tatoi 75% F
Do 17Z 4212 III./K.G. 3 13-May-41 Bauchlandung. Greece Tatoi 20% F
Do 17Z 1385 Bauch, Fw. Gerhard (Bm) III./K.G. 3 20-May-41 WIA due to Flak. Notlandung. Mittelmeer Insel Milos 100% F
Do 17Z 2654 III./K.G. 3 28-May-41 Bruchlandung. Greece Athen-Tatoi 35% F

Regards,
Pawel

Re: K.G. 51, lost a/c
 

Good morning Pawel,

Many thanks for the losses provided for KG3 lost in the Balkans.
These are wonderful additions to my files.
Thank you ever so much.

Rgs,
Steve.