Hans Hermann Müller
 

I am looking for information of oberstleutnant Hans Hermann Müller, born 1921.
He was in 10 NJG 3 in Grove in Denmark. (Karup)
His birthdate and born where ?
From what area of Germany did he come from ?
His date of death and year ?
Where did he live uptil his death ?

Re: Hans Hermann Müller
 

Hi,he was born on 5th February 1921 and confirmed sixteen victories. He flew his first war-time flight on 12th September 1940. Previously flying for 3./KGr.Zbv104, I./NJG2, 7./NJG2, and the Staff of III./NJG2. On 11th June 1944 at 0315 hrs he was shot down by flak, wounded he bailed-out of his Ju88 South of Caen, France. There is some doubt as to whether or not he was awarded the Deutsches Kreuz in Gold, but a date on 1st October 1944 has been suggested. his last unit was Ergst(Nacht)./KG51 where he flew the last of his 241 combat missions, his last flight being on 30th April 1945, he is thought to have survived the war.

22nd February 1942 Erg./NJG2 Lt Wellington sea, 30km West of Katwijk aan Zee 0230 hrs Nr1.
13th April 1942 Erg./NJG2 Lt Boston 2km SW Clundert 0020 hrs Nr2.
20th June 1942 Erg./NJG2 Lt B-24 0259 hrs Nr3.
26th June 1942 Erg./NJG2 Lt Wellington 0358 hrs Nr4.
28th August 1942 III./NJG2 Lt Halifax 0143 hrs 1200 metres altitude Nr5.
28th August 1942 III./NJG2 Lt Lancaster 0216 hrs 1200 metres Nr6.
21st April 1943 10./NJG3 Oblt Stirling NE Vejle 0340 hrs 8 metres Nr7.
24th August 1943 Oblt Stirling 5km SE Hornum 0215 hrs 5500 metres Nr8.
4th November 1943 10./NJG3 Oblt Stirling 1940 hrs 3000 metres Nr9.
4th November 1943 10./NJG3 Oblt Stirling 2002 hrs 2200 metres Nr10.
16th November 1943 10./NJG3 Oblt B-17 1140 hrs 3600 metres Nr11.
18th November 1943 10./NJG3 Oblt B-24 1257 hrs 3600 metres Nr12.
22nd February 1944 10./NJG3 Oblt B-17 Thistedt 1507 hrs 5500 metres Nr13.
22nd February 1944 10./NJG3 Oblt B-17 Thistedt 1509 hrs Nr14.
24th February 1944 10./NJG3 Oblt Lancaster 1455 hrs 100 metres Nr15.
29th September 1944 II./NJG3 Hptm Stirling 0027 hrs 400 metres Nr16.

Surely one on the best night-fighter pilots making claims over American heavies during the day!

Sorry, I no nothing about his post-war history.

Regards

Johannes

Re: Hans Hermann Müller
 

The last two units were 14/SG 151 and NSGr 20 were he flew his last combat mission. Survived and became member of the new Bundesluftwaffe. Retired as Oberstleutnant.

Junker

Re: Hans Hermann Müller
 

Our officer career notes state:

MÜLLER, Hans-Hermann.
(DOB: 05.02.21).
(n.d.) with Erg/NJG 2.
08.42 in Stab III./NJG 2.
04.43 with Stab IV./NJG 3.
08.43 Oblt., appt Staka? 10./NJG 3 (to 11.43).
01.05.44 promo to Hptm.
10/11.06.44 Hptm. in 10./NJG 3, WIA - shot up by AA fire and bailed out south of Caen in Normandy.
08.44 in 12./NJG 3.
10.44 Hptm., appt Kdr. of II./NJG 3 (to 10.44).
Credited with at least 18 victories.


Tom Kracker's notes state:

Müller, Hans Hermann. - Hptm. 2/5/1921 - 18 victories. I./NJG-2, 7./NJG-2, Stab III./NJG-2, 10./NJG-3 (3/44 to 5/44), 12./NJG-3 (8/44), Stab II./NJG-3, ENJ ST/KG-51 Bf 110 DK-G(10/1/44), EP, EK 1 & 2, Wound Badge, Night Fighter Operational Clasp WIA 10/11 June, 1944; shot up by AA fire, bailed soth of Caen (Balss). One known victory, his 5th, a B-17 "DN-3" southwest of Lister Fjord on 16 November, 1943. His 6th, another B-24 "GQ-5" two days later, on 18 November, 1943 (both Perry Claims). Nos. 15 & 16, both B-17's west of Gütersloh on 22 February, 1944 (Perry Claims). His 17th, a B-17 in the Daun area on 24 February, 1944. A "4 mot" over the North Sea, near Kiel, on 17 August, 1944. A Stirling on 29 September, 1944, no location. He may have received the Knights Cross. Flugbuch. Magnus Report; victory count may be as high as 30. Bowers/Lednicer, 30 victories.

hopefully this material will help you.

HLdZ
DGS

Re: Hans Hermann Müller
 

Kracker is dead wrong on some accounts. He was Kdr. II/NJG 3 untill spring 1945. From there he went to 14/SG 151 at Vaerlöse/DK and then to NSGr 20 were he flew one mission. He did not recive the RK. And its pure speculation that he had 30 victories. His FB confirm 16.

Junker

Re: Hans Hermann Müller
 

Hi Junker

Any mention of when he received his DKiG in his flight book, seems that September 1944 is the last time that dates were recorded, from then on it's just speculation!

Regards

Johannes

Re: Hans Hermann Müller
 

What are the possibilities to trace Hans Hermann Müllers whereabouts after the war ?

Re: Hans Hermann Müller
 

1955 joined the Bundesluftwaffe. Retired as Oberstleutnant 1971.

Junker

Re: Hans Hermann Müller
 

Do I have any chance to get the year & date of death for Hans Hermann Müller ?
Will I have any chance to ask Bundesluftwaffe for that ?
nikboj

Re: Hans Hermann Müller
 

Does anyone remember Hans Hermann Müller- from his time in der Bundesluftwaffe ?

Re: Hans Hermann Müller
 

Hi Nikboj,

From the WASt Verlustmeldung the following:

10/NJG3
11.06.1944
Ju 88G-1 Wnr.710888 D5 + AV
South of Caen, France.

FF. Hptm Hans-Hermann Mueller. Born 05.02.1921 in Oerel/Bremervoerde.
BF. Ofw. Karl Kostaedt. Born 01.01.1920 in Lemgo/Lippe.
BW. Uffz. Johannes Bohme?

Hope this helps a little.

Regards,

Melvin

www.aircrewremembrancesociety.com

Re: Hans Hermann Müller
 

Thanks you Melvin, I am very thankful for the information. I was in Jylland for 5 days and just returned. nikboj

Re: Hans Hermann Müller
 

B 17 G shot down over the North Sea on February 22, 1944

15:07, do you have any identification of the american B 17 G ?

15:09 Pot o'Gold, Serial number AF 42 31377
Both planes were shot down by Hans Hermann Müller

Re: Hans Hermann Müller
 

He was confirmed sixteen victories. He flew his first war mission the 27th april 1941. He flied as a transport pilot in Africa and Ukraine in Russia.
On 11th June 1944 at 0315 hrs his Ju88 was shot up by a Moskito, went on fire and bailed out south of Caen in Normandy. He was wounded in his left shoulder.
He was Commander for II.NJG3, and succeded by Walther Briegleb.
In march 1944 he was in Väerlöse with 14 Schlachtgeschwader 151. In NSGruppe 20 he flew the last of his 241 combat missions on 30th April 1945.


noc = note of career. # = confirmed victories. ocn= officer career note
noc 1939.08.26 4./Bau 8 #373
noc 1939.10.01 3./fl. Ausb.-Rgt 62 #438
noc 1939.11.12 Luftkriegschule 5 Schülerkompanie, Breslau-Schöngarten
ocn 1940.02.01 zum Gefreiten befördert
ocn 1940.04.01 zum Unterofficer befördert
noc 1940.07.01 Flugzeugführerschule C, Ohlau
noc 1940.07.01 zum Fähnrich befördert
noc 1940.11.30 Blindflugschule 5, Schülerkompanie
ocn 1941.02.01 zum Leutnant befördert
noc 1941.03.18 Blindflugschule 5
noc 1941.03.24 3./K. Gr J.b.V 104
noc 1941.08.15 Eisen Kreuz II Klasse
noc 1941.11.07 Erg. Staffel/ NJG2
#01 1942.02.22 02:30 Erg./NJG2 Lt Wellington sea, 30km west of Katwijk aan Zee
#02 1942.04.13 00:20 Erg./NJG2 Lt Boston 2km SW Clundert
#03 1942.06.20 02:59 Erg./NJG2 Lt B-24 Halifax
#04 1942.06.26 03:58 Erg./NJG2 Lt Wellington
noc 1942.07.01 III./NJG2 #3
noc 1942.07.06 Eisen Kreuz I Klasse
ocn 1942.08 III./NJG2 Stab
#05 1942.08.28 01:43 III./NJG2 Lt Halifax 1200 metres altitude
#06 1942.08.28 02:16 III./NJG2 Lt Lancaster 1200 metres
noc 1942.10.01 IV./NJG3 #8
ocn 1943.02.01 Oberleutnant (Tr.O)R.D.A.
ocn 1943.04 IV./NJG3 Stab
#07 1943.04.21 03:40 10./NJG3 Oblt Stirling NE Vejle 0008 metres
#08 1943.08.24 02:15 10./NJG3 Oblt Stirling 5km SE Hornum 5500 metres
ocn 1943.09.30 zum Staffelkapitän ernannt
#09 1943.11.04 19:40 10./NJG3 Oblt Stirling 3000 metres
#10 1943.11.04 20:02 10./NJG3 Oblt Stirling 2200 metres
#11 1943.11.16 11:40 10./NJG3 Oblt B-17 3600 metres
#12 1943.11.18 12:57 10./NJG3 Oblt B-24 Skagerak 3600 metres
#13 1944.02.22 15:07 10./NJG3 Oblt B-17, serial # 42-97494, North sea 5500 metres
#14 1944.02.22 15:09 10./NJG3 Oblt B-17, serial # 42-31377, North sea, 20 min west of Lyngby in Hvidbjerg vesten Å.
#15 1944.02.24 14:55 10./NJG3 Oblt Lancaster 0100 metres
ocn 1944.05.01 Hauptman (Tr.O) befördert
noc 1944.06.11 03:15 10./NJG3 WIA Shot down and wounded, he bailed out of his Ju88, S Caen
noc 1944.06.13 Deutsche Kreuz in Gold
ocn 1944.08 12./NJG3
noc 1944.08.01 II./NJG3 #1/B
#16 1944.09.29 00:27 II./NJG3 Hptm Stirling 0400 metres
ocn 1944.10.27 II./NJG 3 zum Kommandör ernannt
noc 1945.03.16 14./Schlachtgeschwader 151
noc 1945.04.23 NSGr20
noc 1945.04.30 NSGr20 Last war time flight
noc 1956 Joined Bundesluftwaffe
noc 1980.04 Retired Oberst Bundesluftwaffe

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Re: Hans Hermann Müller
 

To all of you:
A documentary, unfortunately for the danish television, local group TV MidtVest has been recorded at the time when Lester Schrenk was in Denmark. I want to share this and give you here the trace so you can see the documentary on your computer:
http://www.tvmidtvest.dk/indhold/p%C...-af-pot-o-gold
Pot o Gold was one of the 2, B17, as were shot down february 22, 1944 over the North See and Hans Hermann Müller was the pilot on the German airplane who was in charge and shot them down.
I can tell you, that Hans Hermann is found, still alive and the main part of a coming documentary with him, has been recorded. It's foreseen to be sent in pre summer of 2012, I will give you a hint.
Here we have an attack, where still at least one from both sides are alive.
I hope you can enjoy the documentary.

Re: Hans Hermann Müller
 

February 22, 1944 an airattack took place over the North Sea. April 22, 2012 Lester Schrenk from the US B17 will meet Hans Hermann Müller from the attacking German Junker 88 in Heidelberg in Germany. A delay of 68 years and 2 months.
This is a victory for humanity to bring these two men together finally.

Re: Hans Hermann Müller
 

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ui...1&disp=safe&zw

Radio transmission after the meeting of Hans Hermann Müller and Lester Schrenk at Heidelberg City Hall on april 23, 2012

Re: Hans Hermann Müller
 

Here you have the link to the documentary of the meeting after 68 years and 2 month.
The meeting was Lester Schrenk from USA, that meet Hans Hermann Müller from Germany.

http://www.tvmidtvest.dk/nettv/?id=23555