Fw 190 in colour
 

Any comments on this photo? Looks coloured for me.

http://cgi.ebay.de/Fw-190-A-Fw190-JG...QQcmdZViewItem
http://i8.ebayimg.com/03/i/05/07/c4/22_1_b.JPG

Re: Fw 190 in colour
 

Hi Franek,

I am of your opinion. This picture seems to be colorized or heavily "photoshoped". All is now possible on eBay ! We can also regret the lack of scruples of certain sellers who regularly propose Jpeg scans or bad reproductions in the place of real original photographs. Currently, certain people do not hesitate to sell reproductions of well-known Bundesarchiv or ECPA-D photographs, others making obviously robbery and concealment. Worst of this: the purchasers take the risk to be prosecuted...

Re: Fw 190 in colour
 

I like the New Zealander seller's note: "Copyright status is clear. Bidder is free to publish." :)

Re: Fw 190 in colour
 

Hi,

I actually think the colour seems okay, and apparently it is a 35mm 1940s slide. Looking at the sellers other items there are many which could have been 'coloured' (but have not) to make them more attractive to buyers.

Just my thoughts!

David

Re: Fw 190 in colour
 

Looks correct to me, for the period.

Re: Fw 190 in colour
 

lets try this one from the same seller who says "..Revenue opportunity. Very high quality photo scan on CD. 600ppi, aspect ratio: 540mm x 457.1mm totalling 394MB. Detail very good, color balance excellent, contrast very good. Suitable for professional publishing. Image is ready to go. To my knowledge, this photo has never been published before....".

Is there anyone here who hasn't seen this one before..? ..no thought not ..I don't think its ever looked like this either..!!.. I'll defer to the opinion of our resident photo-archivist on these..

http://hometown.aol.co.uk/Falkeeins/109colour.jpg

Re: Fw 190 in colour
 

The photo posted by Franek looks "photoshopped" rather than colorized. Look at those blue clouds. I guess the original pic must have been a pretty faded color photo.

Re: Fw 190 in colour
 

Photoshop? Who cares? None appear to be original. They are "copies" and who knows what generatrion of copies. Once copied then everything else is up for grabs. The film for copy changes things from the get-go. Then there is scanning and publishing on the internt and your screen settings. Photohop is the least of the issues. I'd say if I was going to photshop it, I'd bring some of the color into balance.

There are other issue, IIRC, the Ethel Collection claims a copyright to the T-bolt pic, it also claims copyright to almost every color pic of an aircraft ;-)

The whole thing appears to be selling photo-copies of the Mona Lisa.

BTW, I found the original of the 190 pic under my mattress. Note the "yellow edge from age". And the "squggles" appear more red than green. I also shot an elephant in my pajamas. How he got in them, I do not know.

http://home.earthlink.net/%7Ejackalsquadron/22_1_b.JPG

Re: Fw 190 in colour
 

While the other JG54 photo of the seller seems pretty OK, this one causes my doubts. It is not only the clouds but also the canopy, tyres, etc. Perhaps a reproduction of a photo from a journal or postcard?
We have discussed copyright issues previously and there is no doubt ECPA holds no copyright for PK photos. I do not think BAMA does have any rights either. It is a matterto be cleared but I think most of the WWII photos are copyright free.

Re: Fw 190 in colour
 

Well, I bought some parts manuals on CD for some marks of the 109, and the photography of each page was excellent.

If the photos have been returned to their original hue, he was only doing what they did with the Sistine Chapel. So we now see what the original photographer saw, so what?

Re: Fw 190 in colour
 

"I think most of the WWII photos are copyright free."

I do believe it's a little more narrow than that. It was explained in another thread that photos published by the Axis powers are free of copyright. US photos are copyright, but when you print them all you need to do is acknowledge that copyright -- Canada is the same. For British and French photos, I believe you pay to buy the photos and more to use them.

Perhaps a Legal Beagle in the group could give us a more detail on the use/publication of wartime photos.

Re: Fw 190 in colour
 

Hi George,

"I think most of the WWII photos are copyright free."

No so easy...The ECPA-D statute is not comparable with that of Bundesarchiv-Bildarchiv in Koblenz. The original PK-negatives preserved in the old fort of Ivry-sur-Seine in France were taken to the germans by french troops during the winter 1944-45. This make the difference. As for all war prizes belonging to the french Defence archive the copyright of these photographs is - according to the french law - inalienable. A "specialised" Gendarmerie team is currently working to make apply this law - some authors learned it with their costs.
All the best, George, and please accept my apologizes for my poor home-made english !

Re: Fw 190 in colour
 

Thanks for that Jean-Yves. And, please believe me when I tell you that your English is far better than my French.

All the best,
George

Re: Fw 190 in colour
 

I would appreciate knowing how George is so certain that the photos have been restored to their original colours, not merely those that happen to look good to the "restorer".


But they do look good, yes.

Re: Fw 190 in colour
 

Jean-Yves
Frankly, I do not care about the French law. I am no French citizen and it does not apply to me. It is a fact that PK negatives were taken by French but they did not acquire any copyrights. If they claim any copyrights, they are frauds to anyone but perhaps French, because only holder of it was a German ministry of propaganda or similar institution. It makes an interesting question, by the way, does the Time hold any copyright for Hugo Jaeger collection?

George
Yes, you are right. By the way, I have heard somewhere (perhaps on this board) that according to HMSO, any photos taken at RAF bases during the war are free for publishing, as their protection time expired.