Swiss Bf109E
 

Greetings all,

I am curious to find more info about some details on Swiss Bf109E, which look to me like a bit different then on others machine I have seen. Hope there is better informed person which could provide more info about the pointed details on images bellow.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y35/Warplane/01-6.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y35/Warplane/02-5.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y35/Warplane/03-3.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y35/Warplane/04-2.jpg

Thank you very much for attention :)

Re: Swiss Bf109E
 

I believe J-355 still exists.
http://www.airliners.net/search/phot...egsearch=J-355

http://www.google.com/search?q=swiss...og&sa=N&tab=wi

Re: Swiss Bf109E
 

Great info Revi!! So it proof what I have seen on this archive image, some conversion were made.

Thank you for attention :)

Re: Swiss Bf109E
 

Pilot, have you a picture of the whole airplane, perhaps a view on the surroundings could help in finding some explanations about your question ?

Re: Swiss Bf109E
 

Explanation of the bumps :
http://www.messerschmitt109.com/suisse/index2.htm
next to last paragraph

Re: Swiss Bf109E
 

ChrisDNT- yes, I have image of whole plane, as well high resolution scan of the same. Will try to post resized sample later.

udf 00- will try to translate later this text, thank you very much.

Cheers :)

Re: Swiss Bf109E
 

Here you are image:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y35...5-Swiss-AF.jpg

Re: Swiss Bf109E
 

Hello,

as far as I know, the Swiss Me 109 Es were equipped with Swiss machine guns above the engine (instead of German MG 17s like the Luftwaffe Es). This would explain the differences in looks.
There is a Swiss book on the Me 109 in Swiss service, which I have but could not find at the moment, so I cannot give you more details right now.

Regards,
klemchen

Re: Swiss Bf109E
 

Ah, this is the well known photo of the J-355 at Dübendorf, when preserved there, before the museum was established. Frankly, I never noticed these differences, I will ask around.

Re: Swiss Bf109E
 

The Swiss Bf109E was fitted with Swiss made 7.45mm Fl MG29 weapon and as these had a bore distance of 300mm compared to 340mm on the MG17 and this required the gun channelling and cowling to be adjusted. Also, the MG29 was installed in parallel whilst the Rheinmetall 7.92mm MG17 in the Luftwaffe's Bf109E's were offset.

[Source: "Messerschmitt Me109 in Swiss Air Force Service" by G.Hoch, Schiffer, 2008]

Cheers
Peter D Evans
LEMB Administrator

Re: Swiss Bf109E
 

Also meant to add that the last photo in post #1 shows the signal rocket equipment which could be loaded with red, green and white rockets. The excerpt below, from Bf109E Ersatzteil-Liste, also appears on page 224 of "Messerschmitt Me109 in Swiss Air Force Service" by G.Hoch, Schiffer, 2008]

Cheers
Peter D Evans
LEMB Administrator

Re: Swiss Bf109E
 

Thank you very much with this very detailed answer, now all is clear to me, at least this details.

Cheers :)

Re: Swiss Bf109E
 

Just find this machine before conversion:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/2150635...n/photostream/

Strange thing, maybe the issue with color material, but does not look green at the top.

Re: Swiss Bf109E
 

Here are some photos:
http://109lair.hobbyvista.com/walkaround/2422/2422.htm

Re: Swiss Bf109E
 

Good and detailed set of images, thank you for sharing.

Re: Swiss Bf109E
 

According to the photographs the Swiss Bf 109s were delivered without weapons in RLM 70/71 Luftwaffe camouflage and with an empty MG17 engine cover and little difference between the two green tones like on many Luftwaffe 109Es.
When Swiss MG 29s were installed fom August ´39 onwards the engine covers were re-designed and a single Swiss green camo (KW2) similar to the German colours was applied on the fuselage nose. When new Swiss markings had to be applied in spring ´40 KW2 was used for all upper surfaces.

Regards

Roland

Re: Swiss Bf109E
 

Do you have info about the KW2 color, local manufacture paint? Also, do you have German W.Nr. for this particular machine?

Re: Swiss Bf109E
 

KW2 color produced by swiss manufacturer is very close to original RLM 70 black-green paint.
J-555 was built in Arado Warnemünde plant, W.Nr. 2422

Re: Swiss Bf109E
 

Thank you for info :) This mean that paint on preserved sample is not much authentic as well it is lighter?

Re: Swiss Bf109E
 

Thank you for this information. Is it also true for the Swiss Bf109Ds?

Re: Swiss Bf109E
 

Definitely yes, Graham.
There are several photos in Hoch´s book where RLM 70/71 is clearly identifyable.
But already with the installation of the Swiss fuselage MGs the engine cover had to be repainted with KW2. 70/71 disappeared in January 1940 when the fuselage markings had to be changed, both for the D and E variants.

Regards

Roland

Re: Swiss Bf109E
 

True, later on overhauls they get on top single top coat.

Re: Swiss Bf109E
 

There was a little misunderstanding during postwar restoration and color used for repainting is too bright.

Re: Swiss Bf109E
 

Thank you Net Sailor :)