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Larry Hickey 26th September 2011 10:09

meaning of technical term in German
 
Hello,

In translating the KTB for I./ZG76 for the PC, I'm trying to understand the meaning of the term "“Gummimuffen." The context is: "During the night the aircraft of 3./ZG76 were prepared – some “Gummimuffen” –- some kind of rubber gaskets but my translator says “sleeves”-- were leaky and they had to be replaced." Where might these rubber gaskets or sleeves be on a Bf110 and what were they for?

Thanx,

Larry Hickey 26th September 2011 10:13

Re: meaning of technical term in German
 
Hello,

Another related translation question: on 31.8.39 the I./ZG76 KTB reported: "At about 21.00 hrs we received an order via phone call: “Ostmarkflug 1.9, Quelle 45.” This appears to have been the alert to the unit that hostilities were about to commence. Does anyone know exactly what this means, and was it a general alert for all Luftwaffe units concerning the initiation of the attack on Poland, or would this have been only some kind of code for alerting I./ZG76?

Regards,

MarkRS 26th September 2011 11:16

Re: meaning of technical term in German
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Hickey (Post 134806)
Hello,

In translating the KTB for I./ZG76 for the PC, I'm trying to understand the meaning of the term "“Gummimuffen." The context is: "During the night the aircraft of 3./ZG76 were prepared – some “Gummimuffen” –- some kind of rubber gaskets but my translator says “sleeves”-- were leaky and they had to be replaced." Where might these rubber gaskets or sleeves be on a Bf110 and what were they for?

Thanx,

Larry, I have the translation for "Gummimuffin" as "Grommets", which could mean any rubber seal on an hydraulic cylinder or even on an engine valve stem.

Mark

Recceswind 26th September 2011 11:17

Re: meaning of technical term in German
 
According to: http://www.dict.cc/german-english/Gummimuffe.html
Gummimuffe = rubber sleeve [so possibly a gasket type]

Quelle 45 - maybe it means 4.45 a.m.?

Nick Beale 26th September 2011 11:18

Re: meaning of technical term in German
 
My Anglo-German military dictionary says that a »Muffe« is a "threaded sleeve for pipe connections."

ChrisMAg2 26th September 2011 11:20

Re: meaning of technical term in German
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Hickey (Post 134806)
...
The context is: "During the night the aircraft of 3./ZG76 were prepared – some “Gummimuffen” –- some kind of rubber gaskets but my translator says “sleeves”-- were leaky and they had to be replaced." Where might these rubber gaskets or sleeves be on a Bf110 and what were they for? ...

In my technical dictionary, "Muffe" is translated as:
1. muff, bell, sleeve (clamp), socket (pipe/ wire/ cable connector);
2. coupling (electr.), sealing connecting box;
3. bushing (liner, collar), sleeve (barrel, casing);
4. hose

IMO #2 and 3 come closest to what it could be. Since the "Muffen" were leaking, i would think it is something related to distribution of fluids e.g. fuel, oil, coolant, hydraulics etc. A piece of rubber (pipe/ -ing) for what ever.

MarkRS 26th September 2011 14:59

Re: meaning of technical term in German
 
The German/English Collins dictionary translates Gummimuffe as "Rubber Cups" plural.

Mark

yogybär 26th September 2011 15:07

Re: meaning of technical term in German
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Hickey (Post 134807)
Hello,

Another related translation question: on 31.8.39 the I./ZG76 KTB reported: "At about 21.00 hrs we received an order via phone call: “Ostmarkflug 1.9, Quelle 45.” This appears to have been the alert to the unit that hostilities were about to commence. Does anyone know exactly what this means, and was it a general alert for all Luftwaffe units concerning the initiation of the attack on Poland, or would this have been only some kind of code for alerting I./ZG76?

Regards,

Ostmarkflug 1.9, Quelle 45: "Ostmark" was the name for todays Österreich/Austria. "Quelle" was a Jagdfliegerterm for "location", so literary translated it means
1.9 would stand for 1st of September, the day when german troops marched into Poland.
"45" is not possible to find out for me :)
Therefore the result is
Flight to Austria on 1st of September, location 45
As it was a codeword, there is no special meaning I guess.

MarkRS 26th September 2011 17:30

Re: meaning of technical term in German
 
Here you go Larry, from a Danish site, "gummimuffe":
http://koiimport.dk/group.asp?group=705

Cannot be clearer than that, can it?

Mark

MarkRS 26th September 2011 17:33

Re: meaning of technical term in German
 
Take your pick:

http://www.google.co.il/search?q=gum...w=1920&bih=976

Mark

Recceswind 26th September 2011 22:35

Re: meaning of technical term in German
 
1 Attachment(s)
Ostmarkflug - code of the operation against Poland
1.9 - September 1
Quelle 45 - 4.45 a.m. (beginning of the operation)

It was a message received by all units.

Attached is a partial copy of the I./ZG 76 KTB. You can find there "Gummimuffen" as well as "Ostmarkflug...".

Larry Hickey 27th September 2011 09:48

Re: meaning of technical term in German
 
Thanks to you all. As usual, you came through.

Regards,

odybvig 29th September 2011 02:42

Re: meaning of technical term in German
 
For which dates is this KTB ?

Best from Norway

Olve

Recceswind 29th September 2011 10:49

Re: meaning of technical term in German
 
It is a Polish Campaign KTB: 25.8.39 - 30.9.39.


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