Adel Luftwaffe KIA- Info needed
 

I've started a project to identify all the units where Adel or German nobles (von) died in action. I have a book that gives some details but many are lacking. Any help welcome.

(1) ZOBELTITZ, Hanns-Henning- Born Berlin 27.10.1923 KIA 29.3.1944
-member of a Nacthjatgdgeschwader
(2) ZHUBER v. Okrog,Raimund Born Marburg/Drau 22.5.1918 KIA 1944 -member of a "Fernkampfgeschwader"
(3) ZEDLITZ und Trützschler, Konstantin Born 17.12.1915 missing between Gomel and Korotop 27.7.1941
(4) ZAHRADNICEK Edler von KASTELIK,Rudolf Missing in East February 1942.
(5) WRANGELL, Olaf Baron v. - Born 4.7.1906 KIA Teltow bei Berlin 24.4.1945 , Hauptmann der Luftwaffe, Flugkapitän der Deutschen Lufthansa.
(6) WITZENDORF-REHDIGER, Christian v. - Born 27.9.1923 KIA (durch Arbstürtz) 14.6.1943
(7) WINDISCH-Grätz, Hugo Prinz zu Born 1.9.1914 KIA 22.8.1942 in Luftkämpf

Thanks to all.

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There is no loss for 29 March 1944 in Michael Ball book about NJG personal losses. And no mention of any ZOBELTITZ around this date.

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If you look in the ''On Offer' section there was a thread by David Lenk 'Lw.Offz Sterbebild Deat Notices' with a list of von names on death notices he had for sale. On 11-4-1941 3/KG55 lost Ff Lt. Graf v. Krockow, Caspar and the same night 7/KG55 lost Ff. Lt. Prinz Biron, Gustav v. Kurland Ludwig ( thats how the names appear in the KG 55 history) on mission to bomb Birmingham. On 13-7-1944 10/JG2 lost Ofhr. Ruthart v. Richthofen,

Regards

Brian Bines

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Laurent,I'm just writing what is listed in the book I have. So far,I've gone through W-Z

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I have a few,
1, von Heimann, Roderic, 17.08.1941, 3/Kfg 606.
2, von Klein, Josef, 01.11.1941, Erpro/KG30.
3, von Kugelgen, Arnold, 14.11.1940, 3(F)/123.
4, von Pawelsz, Friedrich, 24.02.1944, 6/KG2.
5, von Rittberg, Job Wilhelm, 05.09.1940, 1/KG1.
6, von Schenk, Benna, 03.11.1940, 5/LG2.
7, von Schwerin, Albert, 19.11.1940, 1/KG26.
8, von Seidlitz, Dunher, 16.04.1941, 8/KG55.
9, von Turckheim, G, 09.08.1940, 1/KG4.
10, von der Groeben, Horst, 13.08.1940, Stab III/KG2.

All have named graves in the German War Cemetery at Cannock Chase, except von der Groeben who is still in an unmarked grave at Whitstable.
Hope this helps.
Joe

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I now have those sterebild and Peter Cornwell has kindly been working on them for me; they show:

Von Wechmar
Von Schenck
Von Doemming
Von Schwerin
Von Sternburg
Von Stillfried
Von Weiher
Von Claer
Von Perthes
Von Houwald
Von Imhoff
Von Plato
Von Neumann
Von der Schulenburg
Von Lillencron
Von Schultz
Von Perglas
Von Wuehlisch
Von Kuegelgen
Von Schlotheim
Von Liebenstein
Von Winterfeld
Von Bruening
Von Platen-Hallermund
Von Bothmer
Von Koelichen
Von Weiher
Von Richthofen
Von Koon
Von Szymonski
Von Nesselrode-Reichenstein
von Muellenheim-Rechberg

All at 1939 to early 1941 so methinks this will be a massive undertaking

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Yes, I realize that it will take a while. The reference guide I'm using is a German publication circa 1950's that list all (most?) of the German nobles KIA/MIA in WWII.

It also includes such people as Sq Ldr. Colloredo-Mansfeld, who was an Austrian noble , KIA flying for the British.

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Hptm.Hans von Boltenstern, Grkdr of Erpr. Gr. 210, +4/9/40
Lt. Ulrich Freiherr von der Horst, 1./Erpr. Gr. 210, +24/9/40
Lt. Friedrich von-und-zu Castell, 7./ZG 76, +11/7/40
Lt. Fritz von Sauer, 1./SKG 210 +24/6/41
Oblt. Helmut Lolhoffel von Lowensprung, 5./ZG 1, missing since 11/2/42
Hptm. Walter Poka von Pokafalva, 4./ZG 1, +7/3/42
Obst. Lothar von Janson, Gesch. Stab, ZG 1, +10/3/44

Also, Lt. Bodo von Rabenau, pilot with ZG 1, was later killed in action with JG 5.

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I tried looking through the available GQM list for your items 3-7 all I found was an entry on report dated 30-7-1941 for item 3 . Ju88D-1 F6+FH 1195 B Oblt Graf v Zedlitz u Tutzschler, Konstatin and crew of 1(F)/122 all missing on 27-7-1941.
As regrads item 5 - I could not find anything in the GQM but on searching for Olaf Baron Wrangell (spelt Wrangel) it came up with one born in 1928 and wounded in the defense of Berlin 1945.
Likewise item 7 - nothing in the GQM but several sites had him born 1-9-1914 and lost over Italy on 8-8-1942. Looking around both dates I could not find his name. Perhaps it is entered differently or their losses are a late entry.
Good luck with your project,

Regards

Brian Bines

Have you tried this site http://alifrafikkhan.blogspot.com/20...acht-yang.html it is also on 'The Axis Forum' in a thread 'Nobles casualty list'

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Thanks Brian for those nuggets of inforamtion. And thank to all who have taken the time and energy to provide information.

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... so not only "von" but also "zu" ...
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinric...n-Wittgenstein

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Hi, i did some research about the missing fighter Pilot:

Bentheim und Steinfurt, Alexis Prinz zu
KIA/MIA the 2. december 1943 mediterranean sea near Marseille-
His first combat flight in Jagdgruppe Süd (Training unit for JG27).

Regards

Lino

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Hi Lino,

His body was identified many years after his death from an unknown grave on an island.

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Don't forget Volprecht Riedesel Freiherr zu Eisenbach.

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Here´s another one:

Leutnant Oswald Ritter von Rittersheim, KIA January 14th 1945 with 2./KG 51
If you got´m sorry..

khorat

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Yes, you are right. The body was found by chance by a archaeologist in 1965 on the island and was classified as possible "medieval turk", died in the siege of Marseille. Close to the island, we did some research about a sunken german DB601 Engine, so the body was interesting for us again. About 2006 Luc Vanrell located the remains again, now in the US, and we initiated together a DNA research to compare the DNA with the brother of Alexis, also a former JG27 fighter pilot. The result was succesfull.

Regards

Lino

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Lino,

Just a quick question, was this the DB601 that was found near the remains of De Expury's F-5 wreckage?


Carlos

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Lt. Adolf Freiherr von Böselager - 1./JG 21

Born 24/07/1917 - Burg Peppenhoven
MIA 13/05/40 - Belgium
Recovered 15/09/2002 - Leuze (Namur)
Buried with honour 6/12/2002 Burg Peppenhoven

A portrait of him exists, even if wrongly captioned, in H-E BOB's memoirs. Both flew together in Poland.

Best regards

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@Carlos
Yes, the engine was found in the same area.

@CinA-78
The Böselager recovery story was also very interesting.

Regards
Lino

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Hi,

Raimond Zhuber v.Okrog was killed in the crash of He177A-3 w/nr. 535680 of KG 40 near Evere airfield, Belgium during a training flight. He is presently buried at the German War Graves cemetery at Lommel, Belgium.

Best regards

Luc

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Not only the 'vons' and 'zus' but also the 'zurs', such as Prinz zur Lippe.