Unknown Bf110 emblem
 

This emblem is from eBay here. Can not find it in the usual sources?...any ideas on unit much appreciated.

Ian

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Hi Ian

I think i't's a stylized version of II./ZG2's white dragon on a black shield. The other image with this photo was also II./ZG2 the German aligator chasing the British fish in a circle.

Cheers

Chris

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Ian and Chris,

stylized emblem of this?

http://home.arcor.de/csthor/SOW/II_ZG2.png

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Looks like more a winged crocodile than a Dragon ... that reminds me another unknown emblem, still on Bf110, taken in Norway.

Franck.

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Thanks everyone,
Franck, do you have a copy or source of the Norwegian emblem?

Cheers
Ian

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The other image shows the I./ZG 26 emblem, not II./ZG 2...

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Yes Ian I have. I've been home to get it ... wait for a while .... Here it is.

Note that both are mere outlined drawings. If I dare I would say that's the same unit, the starboard side bearing the normal emblem the port side showing personnal variation on same thema. What I mean, in fact, is that with that second picture we may be have a clue.
Note that my picture was downloaded from eBay on 25/26 December of 2008!!!

... But I could be wrong too ...:(.

Cheers, franck.

Re: Unknown Bf110 emblem
 

Many thanks Franck. Its great to see this emblem. The emblems are not identical, so probably not the same aircraft. But they are certainly close enough to be from the same unit. At eBay there is another auction of two photos of a Bf110 which could be the same aircraft as my first photo. The ground is covered in snow (could be Norway), but the photos are too small to see any emblems.

I think we need a photo with a code or other ID to be more certain about this emblem.

Cheers
Ian

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Yes, John thank you!!

Do you have any ideas on the emblem?

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Yes my friend that is what I had in mind!

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Hi
Although we obviously need to see this emblem with a code, it is quite probable that it is a ‘version’ of one of the established emblems. In this respect I would agree with Franck that the emblem is a winged crocodile. I think that I./ZG 26 is the favoured option rather than the dragon of ZG 2


Ian

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Or a dragon of sorts...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frill-necked_Lizard
... And Google for Chlamydosaurus pics.

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Hi Guys,

I did "quote" udf_00 post because I did think during long times about that lezard ... before having seen the last winged crocodile we got on eBay.
Whatever:
1/ It is a possibility thought I wonder the knowledge wart had about it during the 40ies: it's an Australian lezard.... Thought the Berlin Museum/zoo is (was?) full of strange creatures we can see only there!!! including some Komodo Dragons!
2/ I think Chris is not that far from the true. I think those "alligators" (which are US located! Everglades - that's the reason I prefer "crocodile") can be trials.
3/ Note that those drawings are just outlined drawings. That remind me those He111 drawings draw with chalk on fuselages ... temporary emblems?

For the unit I don't know. The picture I sent is not alone .... there is another one ... infortunately it's impossible to read codes!!!

Cheers, Franck.

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Hello,

One of our EOE members has suggested that this is an emblem on III./ZG76 aircraft in Norway.

Regards,

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Thanks Larry
If its III./ZG76 its not connected to other emblems of that unit. It is quite possible, but there were other ZG units in Norway...so is there any other evidence which would particularly point to III./ZG76?

Cheers
Ian

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Hello,

In the EOE Photo DB we have another view of the Bf110 being loaded aboard the truck that Franck posted on Dec. 17th. The code appears to be 2N+ES, which would mean that this a/c was assigned to 8./ZG76 at the time. This is almost certainly in Norway in late 1940 or early 1941. The other parts of the code are less certain, but the "S" for 8 Staffel is very clear. As Ian suggests, this indicates that this had nothing to do with the old I./ZG52 - II./ZG2 dragon emblem. Nor does this tell us whether this is a personal or a Staffel or Gruppe emblem. I only know of two versions of this artwork. It could have been a prototype for a new emblem under consideration that was never actually adopted.

Regards,

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Thanks again Larry.
Looks like we might have at least a provisional answer, although obviously more evidence needed.

Cheers and festive greetings :D
Ian

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Hello Ian, Hello Larry,

Hummmm... Funny! There was a second picture in that old eBay auction ... Here it is! I agree with Larry concerning the "N" and the final "S" even if it's not that clear....
Make your own judgment.

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And even more funny ... 2N+ES seems to be in the background on that picture!
All those pictures have been down loaded the same day; same eBay seller. I think it was a Fotoalbum in fact.

Cheers, Franck.

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Hi Franck,
It is indeed from an album which was on eBay 24 Dec 2008 from which I've saved the eBay photos from. As we had a similar question on LEMB I did post an answer which is similar to Larry's input here in that it most probably is the emblem of 2N+ES. This aircraft was in my opinion involved in an event at Herdla 25.5.1941 when three Bf110s suffered landing accidents at the airfield. See:
http://www.luftwaffe-experten.org/fo...howtopic=14774
Cheers
Goran

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Hello Goran,
I knew you're the right guy to confirm it was an album!!!! I almost wrote "Ask Goran..." in my post "19!
Have a nice day.

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Thanks Franck :) and a Happy New Year to you and all at TOCH!

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Thanks to both of you for the additional photos and information
Happy New Year (nearly!)
Ian

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I won this photo on eBay so if anyone needs a better scan please PM me and let me know. Unfortunately there was no info on the back of the photos. Happy New Year.

Chuck

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Hi Guys,

The "Dragon" is coming back with a different and clearer photo.
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Flugzeug-Foto...item20d1d8c6e4

Regards, Franck.