Willy Tritsch air Victories
 

Re: Willy Tritsch air Victories
 

There are no claims for him in the Tony Woods claims list.

Re: Willy Tritsch air Victories
 

Yea John I noticed that. I wonder if these were aircraft attacked on the ground.

Rob Romero

Re: Willy Tritsch air Victories
 

Hi Rob

He made at least nine air victories over Soviet aircraft in 1941 as an unteroffizier with 5./LG2:-

22nd June 1941 I-16 0318 hrs
22nd June 1941 Seversky 0636 hrs
22nd June 1941 Seversky 0638 hrs
22nd June 1941 SB-2 1308 hrs
5th July 1941 SB-2 1312 hrs
26th July 1941 DB-3 1820 hrs
27th July 1941 SB-3 1318 hrs
1st September 1941 I-153 1706 hrs
26th September 1941 I-16 1433 hrs

These come from a micro film listing only 5./LG2 claims between 22nd June 1941 and 24th December 1941, they are without a place name or altitude! If Tritsch stayed with this staffel throughout 1941 then the nine listed are his only claims for 1941. It is usual for the micro films in July 1942 to list all claims for all units on a daily sheet, and I can find nothing more for him, however previous to July 1942(again for most units) there are the individual units claims listed as per staffel in beautiful type. It is very possible that this type micro films for his unit has not survived, so therefore it is perfectly possible that he made further claims in the first half of 1942, but none after that time.

Kind Regards

Johannes

Re: Willy Tritsch air Victories
 

Johannes,

II(S)/LG2 became I/SchG1 in January 1942 and Tritsch was WIA 28 Apr 1943 with 1./SchG1

Is there anything under the later unit (I./SchG1)?

Furthermore, great information on 5/LG2, there are many Knights Cross winners that served in II(S)/LG2 which there is little information or no information at all on thier claims that I can find, such as Dommeratzky -29, Dorffel -30, Druschel - 7, Frank - 8, Hoffer-Sulmthal -9, Menapace -7, Stollnberger -45 etc. Is there anything listed for these pilots?

Regards,

Craig...

Re: Willy Tritsch air Victories
 

Great Info Johannes!

Thanks

Re: Willy Tritsch air Victories
 

Hi,

Information is included for the following II./L.G. 2 victories:

Dörffel: 5
Dörnbrack: 7
Druschel: 7
Stollnberger: 2

Cheers,
Andrew A.

Air War Publications - www.airwarpublications.com

Re: Willy Tritsch air Victories
 

OK, so you are inferring that Tony Woods missed these claims? Possible, but seeming unlikely give the span over several months.

Re: Willy Tritsch air Victories
 

It sounds like Johannes got these claims from a separate document.

Re: Willy Tritsch air Victories
 

Hi Guys,

The claims are in the films, but well hidden in SG 77's annerk victory lists. Tony did miss them, as from talking to him, he was pretty tired after a few solid years of reading the films and putting them on the web, for which I remain very greatfull.

Regards

Russell.

Re: Willy Tritsch air Victories
 

Gee, I can't imagine that he'd miss something - that's snark by the way, not as a negative, but of the 'been there, done that' type of remark. After years of doing the same with losses, how many times have I had to re-visit stuff I thought I got right the first time? My eyes, my eyes!! (And fingers - they're only two-inches long now.)

Re: Willy Tritsch air Victories
 

Hi Guys

My source was the micro films, perhaps Tony woods doesn't have then all. There are several types, most units have individual Staffels listed neatly typed out before the end of July 1942, but missing altitude and place. Then daily sheets are recorded handwritten for all unit on two seperate sheets.....East and West, but January 1944 in the west is missing. Then there are sub lists pre-July 1942 again handwritten containing problem claims i.e A.S.M/V.N.E claims. Then there are claims for each Staffel with only the date and time recorded....so no altitude, place pilot name.

Even some of the typed-out micro films are difficult to read due to faint type. Also Tony Woods has written down names not knowing if a particular Staffel has anybody under that name i.e hundreds if not thousands are incorrect, which is to be expected as sometimes the handwritten daily lists are just scrawl, and sometimes scrawl with faint micro films.

Many pre-July 1942 individual Staffel micro films are missing i.e almost all of Jg5, some of Zg26, Zg76, Jg51, Jg77 plus others. The most complete unit is Jg53! The micro films recording daily claims become incomplete around November/December 1944, and the last day recorded is 1st January 1945 with a single claim. I think in all I have listed 65,000 claims in all, and there really are not that many missing, I would say the Luftwaffe pilots only claimed 70,000 in all!

Micro films also record flak claims, and sometime in the West crash sites!

hope this clears up whats available.

Kind Regards Johannes

P.S I have found 7800 claiming pilots in all, of which 2540 are aces!

Re: Willy Tritsch air Victories
 

For what its worth, Obermaier in Die Ritterkreuzträger der Luftwaffe, Band 2, states that Tritsch had a total of 20 air claims. He had 12 by the time of his being awarded the RK on 23.12.42.

Tom

Re: Willy Tritsch air Victories
 

Bonjour à tous,

My source for the Tritsch's kill credit:

Weal (J.), Eastern Front Schlachtflieger, Wings Of Fame vol. 7, Aerospace Publishing, London 1997.

Jean-Paul

Re: Willy Tritsch air Victories
 

Johannes - could I ask You, do You have something for SKG210 in 1941?