German ATA?
 

Hi guys

Out of curiosity, did the Luftwaffe have an affiliated oganisation comprising female/overage/disabled pilots/aircrew who delivered aircraft to operational units, as did the British ATA?

Cheers
Brian

Re: German ATA?
 

Hello.

Yes - not only those categories of pilots - the main unit performing this tas was Flugzeugüberführungsgeschwader 1

Lots and lots of losses noted by this unit

Regards,
Andreas B

Re: German ATA?
 

Hi Andreas

More, please!

Cheers
Brian

Re: German ATA?
 

A start: http://www.ww2.dk/air/misc/flug1.htm

Re: German ATA?
 

It appears that many of the Luftwaffe personnel used for ferrying were those without operational experience, hence a high attrition rate.

On civilian ferry pilots, US sources include:

German Air Force List of ’ Civilian’ Ferry Pilots, A.I. 12, US Air Forces Europe, 22 January 1946, National Archives RG 243 Entry 36 Box 176;

Status and Duties of Civilian Pilots in the German Air Force, A.I. 12 Intelligence Report 114, US Air Forces Europe, 22 January 1946, National Archives, RG 165 Entry 79 Box 47.

Re: German ATA?
 

oganisation comprising female/overage/disabled pilots/aircrew who delivered aircraft to operational units

One category to add the POWs

Rémi

Re: German ATA?
 

Hi Remi

Are you suggesting that the Germans used POWs as ferry pilots?

More please!

Cheers
Brian

Re: German ATA?
 

Hi Brian,

where I come from in germany, in 1944 2 Bf 109 of FlÜG 1 collided and crashed, both pilots - russian officers - died in the crash..

khorat

Re: German ATA?
 

See NARA T791 Roll 51 frame 0711-0740 at http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/luft...its/vonrohden/
Report name: Entwicklung des Flugzeugüberführungwesens zum Flugzeugüberführungs-Geschwader 1. Major Zander.

Jaap

Re: German ATA?
 

Wow!

This is news to me!

Is there any chance of listing POW pilot losses - name/date/nationality

By POWs do we mean Soviets only?

Khorat - do you have names and date of the incident you mention?

I am intrigued!

Cheers
Brian

Re: German ATA?
 

1944-08-18, 3./Fl.ÜG 1 Süd, Bf 109G-14, 780698, Fl.Pl. Darmstadt-Griesheim, Zusammenstoß in der Luft mit mit Bf 109G-6, Werk.-Nr. 780807.Bruch 100 %.
Flugzeugführer Lt Sawkin, Ilja, + (Ehrenfriedhof Darmstadt, Grab R 8 C 168)
1944-08-18, 3./Fl.ÜG 1 Süd, Bf 109G-14, 780807, Fl.Pl. Darmstadt-Griesheim, Zusammenstoß in der Luft mit mit Bf 109G-6, Werk.-Nr. 780698.Bruch 100 %.
Flugzeugführer Lt Jakowlew, Alexander, + (Ehrenfriedhof Darmstadt, Grab R 8 C 167)

Matti

Re: German ATA?
 

Excellent, Matti

Do we know where/how/where Lts Sawkin and Jakowlew were captured?

And more names, please! I believe Andreas knows of some.

Cheers
Brian

Re: German ATA?
 

Rather than Soviet POWs used to ferry aircraft, they were probably former-POW that "enlisted" more or less voluntary in "Vlassov-like" formations rather than starve in POW camps.

As for the collision reported by Matti, here is the story of Ilja Savkin:


On 21 January 1943 Starshina Ilya Filippovich Savkin stole the I-16 "31" of 691 NBAP and flew to Finland, belly-landing 7 km northeats of Saarimäki, Aunus. He was handed over to the Germans on 1 May 1943 and served later with the ROA air force (the Russian air force created to support the so-called "Vlassov" army). He died on 18 August 1944%

Re: German ATA?
 

Rather than Soviet POWs used to ferry aircraft, they were probably former-POW that "enlisted" more or less voluntary in "Vlassov-like" formations rather than starve in POW camps.

As for the collision reported by Matti, here is the story of Ilja Savkin:

On 21 January 1943 Starshina Ilya Filippovich Savkin stole the I-16 "31" of 691 NBAP and flew to Finland, belly-landing 7 km northeats of Saarimäki, Aunus. He was handed over to the Germans on 1 May 1943 and served later with the ROA air force (the Russian air force created to support the so-called "Vlassov" army). He died on 18 August 1944 in the collision reported above by Matti.

Source: http://kv-bear.livejournal.com/1966.html

Re: German ATA?
 

the 109´s of Savkin and Jakolew crashing 1 and 2 km south of Hamm/Rheinhessen, after both aircraft loosing a wing in the midair collision.
Takeoff was airfield Darmstadt-Griesheim.

khorat

Re: German ATA?
 

782159 Bf 109G-14 3.(Süd)/FlüG 1 Lt Alexej Tschassownikow+ 03.09.44 Absturz 100% b Überführungsflug b Arber
332519 VH+ZT Bf 109K-4 3.(Süd)/FlüG 1 Lt Oleg Gorbatschew+ 06.01.45 Absturz 100%

Regards

Roland

Re: German ATA?
 

Do we know where/how/where Lts Sawkin and Jakowlew were captured?


These ones no!, but a russian freely landed at the Anapa FP in May 43

As an example, ignore his name...


Rémi