Okkajärvi + Kutajärvi
 

2 Ar196 were activ in this area in aug. 1943, which unit in cause ?? Where are seated these places in Finnland ..??

Pls

Rémi

Re: Okkajärvi + Kutajärvi
 

"Okkajärvi" should probably be Olkkajärvi, 15 km NW Rovaniemi. (Järvi = Lake). "Kutajärvi" may also be misspelled - is some letter missing?

Re: Okkajärvi + Kutajärvi
 

Hello Rémi
all I can say that Germans loaned Ar 196 GA+DO to the Finnish Detachment Malinen (which transport long-range recce patrols deep behind Soviet rear in He 115s and He 59s) from 13 Sept to 22 Oct. 43. The Det operated from Olkkajärvi and used the Arado in liaison and courier flights.

HTH
Juha

ADDITION: According to another source, Heinonen's Thulinista Hornetiin, GA+DO was loaned 13 Sept - 29 Oct 43, and flew 18 sorties, incl 3 LR recce patrol transport sorties

Re: Okkajärvi + Kutajärvi
 

Think that you are right with the names,

AR196A 125 8 43 29 Flügen 53 Verwundete vom 9 z, 13,Aug,
AR196A 122 8 43 16 Flügen 30 Verwundete geborgen vom 9 z, 13,Aug,

Rovaniemi quite far from the front no ??


To the GA+DO many docs says that the german refused to allocate that plane....

Re: Okkajärvi + Kutajärvi
 

courtesy Google maps : Kutajärvi, Hollola, Finland
100 km NE of Helsinki, a bit west of Lathi

Re: Okkajärvi + Kutajärvi
 

At least the following Ar 196s were flown in summer 1943 in Olkkajärvi:

1943-07-14 NH+AM Olkkajärvi – Pl.Qu. 427
1943-07-21 GA+DV Olkkajärvi – 30 km nördlich Fl.Pl. Pontsalenjoki
1943-08-06 GA+DY Olkkajärvi – Pl.Qu. 427
1943-08-09 GA+DY Olkkajärvi – Pl.Qu. 426
1943-08-20 LA+BN Olkkajärvi – Kirkenes
1943-09-01 GA+FD Olkkajärvi
1943-09-01 BB+YB Olkkajärvi
1943-09-03 GA+DV Alakurtti – Pl.Qu. 426
1943-09-19 GA+DV Kemi – Alakurtti
1943-09-20 BB+YB Olkkajärvi
1943-09-23 BB+YB Olkkajärvi – Kirkkoniemi
1943-09-25 GA+DV Olkkajärvi
1943-09-28 KK+BX Kirkkoniemi – Olkkajärvi
1943-09-28 GA+DV Olkkajärvi

There might be others, but these are the only known SKZs.

Josef Berendes was the main pilot in those rescue missions, which were flown from Kananainen (near Kiestinki) to “See 121” (This might be that "Kutajärvi"). GA+DV (WNr. 122) and BB+YB (possible WNr. 125) were mainly situated in Olkkajärvi ja Kiestinki area. GA+DY was flown to Germany 1943-10-09. Besides rescue flights, Berendes flew with BB+YB in 1943-09-03 two agents from Salmijärvi to Schownajawr-See, 70 km behind the front.

Matti

Re: Okkajärvi + Kutajärvi
 

Google maps again : Olkajärvi, Enontekiö, Suomi
300 km SW of Kirkenes

Re: Okkajärvi + Kutajärvi
 

Really thks both nd Matti,

Situation is a bit more clear , any planes left behind ??

No seeplanes in finnish inventory ??

Unit under finn's command ??

Rémi

Re: Okkajärvi + Kutajärvi
 

Olkkajärvi, not Olkajärvi. Two "k"s. Olkkajärvi is near Rovaniemi.


Kari

Re: Okkajärvi + Kutajärvi
 

If GA+DV is 122, 125 is better GA+DY , truly fit

Rémi

Re: Okkajärvi + Kutajärvi
 

All the aircraft I mentioned were strictly operated and owned by Luftwaffe. Finnish Air Force had nothing to do with them. The "Finnish" GA+DO was flown by kapt (Olt) Erkki Jauri and all flights were far from Olkkajärvi in East and Southeast Finland.

When Luftwaffe left Finland in Autumn 1944, they left no Ar 196 behind.

Please note, that Luftwaffe operated above 65 degrees latitude and Finnish Air Force below it. Therefore Finnish seeplanes visited locations above that 65 degrees line only very occasionally during rescue or agent dropping operations. They had no fixed base there.

Matti

Re: Okkajärvi + Kutajärvi
 

According to Heinonen's Thulinista Hornetiin, in early Sept. 44 local commanders made a deal so that the Finns allowed Germans to flew off one He-115C and one Ar 196A (A3+BC) and LW left one He-115C and one Ar 196A (A3+AC) to the Finns. The Germans reported those two a/c left behind as destroyed and FAF used them a while and then handed them to SU as stipulated in the armistice treaty. A3+AC was handed over on 16 March 45

Juha

Re: Okkajärvi + Kutajärvi
 

Matti

NH+AM was Ar 199V-1 c/n 3671
KK+BX was also an Ar 199

Sorry to "nitpick"

Regards

Tony

Re: Okkajärvi + Kutajärvi
 

Thanks Tony, very welcome corrections. My info comes from a Finnish air surveillance unit, which received notification of German flights from Luftwaffe base via telephone. Therefore the logbooks have too many errors, which gradually can (at least partly) be corrected by observant researchers.

Matti

Re: Okkajärvi + Kutajärvi
 

So probably there were just 3 Ar196 GA+DV/DY nd BB+YB, LA+ looks strange a Bf110 from JG5 ?? nd MAYBE GA+FD could be also saved,

Rémi