Me 262 Interception- Jan 11,1945-1 P-47 Shot down
 

On January 10,1945, Lt. Robert W. Nunnally, O-824550, 324th FG, 314th FS was shot down by a Me-262 over Germany,near Karlsruhe.

Here is an excerpt from the eyewitness report (MACR 11123). Fellow pilot, Lt. James Spencer, reported :

"In looking back , I observed what appeared to be a twin engine elliptical wing plane directly on the tail of #2 aircraft (Lt. Nunnally) I called a right break and observed a small explosion from Yellow #2,followed by a larger explosion. He began spinning down and I did not see him again."

Any idea as to the Me 262 unit?

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bump

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I checked in the book "JG 7" by Manfred Boehme but did't find it. It is probably listed in the 4 Volume set of "Me 262" by J. Richard Smith and Eddie J. Creek.

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The Me 262 did not have elliptical wings. Your quotation doesn't even claim the attacking aircraft was an Me 262.

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Now what types of twin engine airplanes were attacking P-47s in January 1945?
Somehow, I don't see Me-110s,Ju-88s or ME410 attacking P-47s with any kind of
regularity, though I suppose it could happen.

And while the Me262 does not have elliptical wings "per se", it does have sweptback wings which could appear as elliptical in the second or two the witness was observing it.

Re: Me 262 Interception- Jan 11,1945-1 P-47 Shot down
 

crash probably Lauterbourg/France

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According to Foreman & Harvey, no claim for a 262 on this date

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I'm thinking III/Erg JG-2 since this was in their area of operations. The 324th served at this time with the 1st Tactical AF.

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Quote:

"Now what types of twin engine airplanes were attacking P-47s in January 1945?
Somehow, I don't see Me-110s,Ju-88s or ME410 attacking P-47s with any kind of
regularity, though I suppose it could happen.

And while the Me262 does not have elliptical wings "per se", it does have sweptback wings which could appear as elliptical in the second or two the witness was observing it."

By making a claim for facts not in evidence, you risk propagating false information. Use conjecture, but don't state something as fact when you don't know that it is.

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Hi guys,

Note the date as in the e mail as distinct from the title is 10 January 1945. The claim was made by Leutnent Wilhelm Batel of 1./KG 51.

Regards

Russell

Re: Me 262 Interception- Jan 11,1945-1 P-47 Shot down
 

At some point,when considering 66 year old data and the written statements of people long dead, you have to conjecture and try to imagine what "really" happened. Perhaps, I should have written: "On January 10,1945, Lt. Robert W. Nunnally, O-824550, 324th FG, 314th FS was shot down by a [probable] Me-262 over Germany,near Karlsruhe.


The fact that the claim has been identified as a actual Luftwaffe claim seems to validate my conjecture.

Sorry about the typo for Jan 11,1945.

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"Probable" or "possible" would have been appropriate until confirmed. Chasing down the origins of false information is exhausting and others may accept statements as fact when they are not, thus setting them in hardened concrete, making it virtually impossible to undo the harm.

An author decided to test whether information he was providing on the Internet was being used by others without his permission. So, while I think he did himself more harm than good, he intentional put some false information into what he was writing. Sure enough, he was able to track the misinformation to a variety of published sources. One respected author was furious when this fellow revealed what he had done, as the author thought he was accessing correct information. The upshot was that his book unwittingly contains errors. No author would want this to happen to him.

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There are myriad of books out there, including one I was involved with, that have false information. SOme of Chris Shores's conjectures of forty years ago still surface from time to time., even after they have been proven incorrect. I take everything with a grain of salt unless i can satisfy myself that he information is accurate.